the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Jorge Paez (c) vs Troy Dorsey, scheduled for 12 rounds for the IBF featherweight championship at the Las Vegas Hilton on Feb. 4, 1990.

Paez is 33-2-2 (25) and making his sixth defense of his crown. He weighs 126 and needs four tries over 4 1/2 hours to burn 2 1/2 pounds to make it. For the record, he has a Batman symbol carved into the back of his always exotic hair.

Dorsey is 10-2-2 (7) and ranked No. 6 by the IBF. Learned from this ITV broadcast version that he was a regular sparring partner for Steve Cruz, who originated from the same Dave Gorman gym. He’s a 6-1 underdog.

1: Dorsey 10-9 — Troy is the aggressor and bullies Paez to the ropes, throwing non-stop with good punch variety including some uppercuts with the lead left hand. Paez does little except for a few nice uppercuts of his own.

2: Paez 10-8 — You could argue 10-9 as it’s Dorsey’s round otherwise; basically a replay of the first round except that Paez creates some distance in one spot and lands a hard volley that puts Dorsey down.

3: Dorsey 10-9 (c) — High volume from Dorsey, who keeps Paez on the ropes; the champion separates just enough for a few effective outbursts but not often enough.

4: Dorsey 10-9 — Dorsey is all over him with really nice punch variety and a few six- and eight-punch salvos. Paez again spends most of the round on the ropes not throwing much back.

5: Dorsey 10-9 — Same as round four, basically.

6: Dorsey 10-9 — Another replay round.

7: Dorsey 10-9 — Yet again, although Paez does wake up late to get a bit of separation to rip a few shots … but not enough.

8: Dorsey 10-9 — Dorsey punching, Paez on ropes.

9: Paez 10-9 (c) — Paez moves a bit and pot-shots, counters better and more frequently off the ropes.

10: Dorsey 10-9 — Paez in corner, Dorsey punching.

11: Dorsey 10-9 — More of the same with Paez rallying a bit late.

12: Dorsey 10-9 — Paez tries early but Dorsey punches non-stop.

Official cards: Paez wins a split decision, up 114-113 on two cards and losing 115-113 on the other.

My card: Dorsey 117-111.

I hate the word robbery but I can’t see a way Paez won this fight or even more than few rounds. Sometimes Dorsey’s punches aren’t super effective but that’s better than getting hit and not landing anything in return like Paez most of this fight — and many times when Paez does fight his punches are far from effective and Dorsey also gets through with enough truly effective shots that you just have to give him the rounds imo.

I wanna see what @scartissue @Jel and @AntonioMartin1 — and anyone else — thinks of the scoring.

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This has been on my watch list for a while so this is a good excuse to watch it. Will let you know what I think when I get to it (probably over Christmas).

 

Jorge Paez v Troy Dorsey I (featherweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Dorsey
Round 2: 10-8 Paez (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Dorsey
Round 4: 10-9 Dorsey
Round 5: 10-9 Paez
Round 6: 10-9 Dorsey
Round 7: 10-9 Dorsey
Round 8: 10-9 Dorsey
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Dorsey
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total: 117-113 Dorsey (actual scores: 115-113 Dorsey and 2 scores of 114-113 for Paez by split decision.)

Wow, what a great scrap. The scoring can be tough because, although Dorsey was all over Paez every round throwing a blizzard of punches, one has to look at how effective some of those shots are. Conversely, Paez doesn't throw anything near the amount Dorsey is throwing, however, his counters are pin-point and robust. This is up to the scorer, but what a terrific fight.

 

Evander Holyfield vs Larry Holmes

Round 1: Holyfield 10:9
Round 2: Holmes 10:9
Round 3: Holyfield 10:9
Round 4: Holyfield 10:9
Round 5: Holyfield 10:9
Round 6: Holyfield 10:9
Round 7: Holyfield 10:9
Round 8: Holyfield 10:9
Round 9: Holyfield 10:9
Round 10: Holmes 10:9
Round 11: Holmes 10:9
Round 12: Holmes 10:9

Total: 116-112 Evander Holyfield

Isn't it funny, that 2 out of 3 Holyfield's title defences during his first reign as the heavyweight champion came against 40 year olds? Larry Holmes, in my opinion, did better out of the 2. He was crafty, accurate in spots and caused the champ some problems. All that while fighting only 1 minute a round. Imagine what prime Easton Assassin would have done to The Real Deal. I know Harold Lederman scored it 115-113, but I gave round 7 to Holyfield due to his better work in the first 2 minutes and 30 seconds of the round.

 

'Prince' Charles Williams v Merqui Sosa II (NABF light heavyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Williams
Round 2: 10-9 Sosa
Round 3: 10-9 Sosa
Round 4: 10-9 Williams
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Williams
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Sosa
Round 9: 10-9 Sosa
Round 10: Sosa stops Williams early in the round

Total through 9 completed rounds: 87-86 Sosa (actual scores not known)

Man, if ever you heard the expression in a rematch where "They have taken up right where they left off!" Believe me, they were talking about this fight. Just a brilliant study in pure mayhem. Again, like the first fight, Williams countering beautifully but Sosa forcing him to the ropes where he unloads with his ungainly, but effective haymakers. I was yelling at the screen for Williams to "stay off the ropes!" And laughed at the end of the 4th when I heard his cornerman yelling to him between rounds the exact same thing. But I don't think it was in Williams' DNA not to. The stoppage was good as Williams was hurt bad. And again, another rousing fight between these two.

 

Watched a fight I haven't seen in almost 40 years. Here we go with...

Marvin Johnson v Leslie Stewart I (vacant light heavyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Johnson
Round 2: 10-9 Johnson
Round 3: 10-9 Stewart
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Johnson
Round 6: 10-9 Johnson
Round 7: The ref stops the bout in favor of Johnson due to severe cuts over both of Stewart's eyes

Total through 6 completed rounds: 59-56 Johnson (actual scores: 59-55, 60-55 and 58-57 all with Johnson leading)

Man, I tell ya, I had forgotten how good this fight was. Wow! They went at it hard with Johnson's traditional all-out attack and Stewart countering hard. I actually remembered Stewart's post-fight interview where he said it was a great win for Johnson but not necessarily lawful. That was reflective on him claiming the cuts were caused by butts. And I have to admit, Johnson's noggin' was coming in like a torpedo. But again, fantastic fight, which I highly recommend.

 

Every time I see Merqui Sosa’s name I think two things:

1) One of his opponents (I forget who) was on the Howard Stern show and mentioned their fight and maybe kind of slurred his name.

Stern interrupted and said, ‘Wait, you fought a guy named ****** (didn’t realize that word was censored, but it’s the word for a simian) Sosa?’

2) No less than three guys named him as the hardest puncher they ever fought in the Best I Faced series in The Ring: James Toney (who allowed that Samuel Peter hit with more force as a heavyweight), Roy Jones Jr and Frankie Liles.

If three guys like that say you’re the hardest puncher they ever faced, I’ll take their word that you hit pretty danged hard.

 

It's funny what memory a name will invoke. For me, I always think of my Pops when I hear or see Sosa. He would come over for the fights (the Tuesday night fights on USA, the Friday night fights on ESPN, the weekend HBO or Showtime bouts) and he would ask who was fighting. When I would say Merqui Sosa, he would always say, "Isn't that the fella with the funny legs?" Good times.

 

Sosa was knock-kneed but man that somehow generated monster power.

 

Salvador Sanchez v Wilfredo Gomez (featherweight title)

Round 1: 10-8 Sanchez (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 4: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 5: 10-9 Gomez
Round 6: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 7: 10-9 Gomez
Round 8: Sanchez drops and stops Gomez

Total through 7 completed rounds: 68-65 Sanchez (actual scores: 67-65, 67-65 and 67-66 all for Sanchez)

Here is a fight we have probably all seen but apparently, really never scored. Maybe that's because we all assumed it wasn't going the distance and just sat back and enjoyed. I know I did. But today, I scored it, but was really hesitant on my scoring from rounds 2 through 5, acknowledging to myself if I watched it again or was sitting at a different angle in the arena, I might have a different score. Those rounds were that tight. I checked the history on this fight and was underwhelmed by the amount of posters who actually scored it. I only found two. And only our scores in rounds 1, 6 and 7 matched. We were all over the place from 2 through 5. Like I said, very tight those rounds. But such a great fight. I love Col. Bob Sheridan at the mic. He always brought unreal energy to the audio. Sometimes he was drowned out by Larry Holmes and Carlos Palomino color commenting, but a terrific show. Gomez did well getting back into the fight after that disastrous first round, but Sanchez was not to be denied.

 

I am prepared for downvotes:

Hagler vs Duran, and I thought Duran won

first 5 Hagler was inactive and Duran threw a lot of punches that connected, some not so clean but still.

6-8 Hagler beat him up

Duran squeeked the 9th,11 15
Hagler won 10,13,14

8-7 Duran

 

This is on my list of fights to get to over the holiday season, so I’ll be adding my score sometime soon.

Thanks for providing yours and your epic contributions to this thread. Happy holidays to you!

(Also nice shoutout to the Colonel … I’ve come to appreciate him more and more over the years.)

 

Thanks, Pat. Merry Christmas to you too. Looking forward to checking out a few more fights from your Ultimate list over the holidays. Regarding the Colonel, I really love the life he brings to the mic. Whenever action heats up, it really sounds like he's losing his sh**. I always say, now there's a fight fan.

 

Carlos Monzon v Tony Mundine (middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Mundine
Round 2: 10-9 Mundine
Round 3: 10-9 Monzon
Round 4: 10-9 Monzon
Round 5: 10-9 Monzon
Round 6: 10-9 Monzon
Round 7: Monzon KO's Mundine

Total through 6 completed rounds: 58-56 (scores not known)

Man, I remember when this took place. It appeared on face value that Monzon was avoiding Mundine at the time. But after Bennie Briscoe exposed Mundine's weakness of chin, Monzon signed for a defense. Mundine started well here. Catching Monzon in the first two rounds, and indeed, throughout, with very sharp right hands. But Monzon started roughing up Tony in the 3rd and continued, albeit getting his chin tested to the bitter end. But he ended matters in the 7th of a decent fight.

 

Hi Scart.
His chin was exposed long before BB, first Kahu Mahanga, followed by Luis Rodriguez, shame because he had a lot of talent, I bet heavily on Briscoe stopping him, he didn't let me down.
stay safe buddy, chat soon.
Mike.