the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Joe 'Old Bones' Brown v Wallace 'Bud' Smith III (lightweight title)

Saw this was in it's entirety and needed to check it out. The third fight between Brown and Smith. No sense running a card here as I gave every round to Old Bones for a 100-90 score before the doctor pulled Bud out of the fight before the 11th (actual scores were 100-91, 100-91 and 99-92 all with Brown leading). Smith was starting to fade by this time as he was somewhat inert against the fast-moving Brown. Joe was spectacular here. His jab was like a snake the way it would dart out, while he was sharp-shooting with the right. And the way he was moving in and out really belied his age (I think he was 31 here with a lot of miles on his career). Love watching some of these old-timers. Makes it even better when there is clarity to the film.

 

George Foreman vs Axel Schulz

Round 1: 10:9 Foreman (could have gone either way)
Round 2: 10:9 Foreman
Round 3: 10:9 Schulz
Round 4: 10:9 Schulz
Round 5: 10:9 Schulz
Round 6: 10:9 Foreman (could have gone either way)
Round 7: 10:9 Schulz (could have gone either way)
Round 8: 10:9 Schulz
Round 9: 10:9 Schulz
Round 10: 10:9 Schulz
Round 11: 10:9 Foreman
Round 12: 10:9 Schulz

Total: 116:112 Axel Schulz

I always wondered what fight was Larry Merchant watching that night. He seemed drunk, so maybe this affected his view of reality. Schulz won it clearly for me. Not only was he outboxing George, but he also was winning the exchanges, not afraid to trade with him. Foreman of course went along with his favorite excuse "he was running from me" but we all saw what happened. Schulz should have become the lineal heavyweight champion that night. That's why I don't cry much over another robbery in Foreman's career - the Briggs fight. I treat it as karma for Schulz. Max score I see for George here is him losing 115:113, but I could have easily scored it 118:110 for Schulz. In the old school terms it would be 7-2-3 Schulz.

 

In a way cancels out Foreman Briggs.

 

Kirk Johnson vs. Louis Monaco - 10 rounds heavyweight.

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Round 1 Johnson 10-9
Round 2 Johnson 10-8
Round 3 Johnson 10-9
Round 4 Johnson 10-9
Round 5 Johnson 10-9
Round 6 Johnson 10-9
Round 7 Johnson TKO

Up and comer Kirk Johnson against the physically strong, but limited Louis Monaco. When Kirk Johnson was in shape, he was a very good heavyweight, too bad he couldn't keep the same condition later in his career, bit of the same problem as heavyweights from the 80's. Monaco showed a lot of heart and durability, he took his beating like a man, which is something admirable.

Gotta love the 90's commercials. Both the soft and rad ones from then. Kind of lame to think that the 90's was 30 years ago....

 

We scored 2 rounds differently but we had the same score of 116-112.

George Foreman vs Axel Schulz

1 Schulz
2 Foreman
3 Schulz
4 Schulz
5 Schulz
6 Foreman
7 Foreman
8 Schulz
9 Schulz
10 Schulz
11 Foreman
12 Schulz

116-112 Schulz

 

I also had it 115-113 and we both scored the first 2 rounds and the 12th round for Chavez.

When I rewatched it recently it was a bit closer than I originally remembered.

Still a bad decision and theres no question that Whitaker deserved the decision.

But a bit closer than maybe whats portrayed by the media and fans.

Pernell Whitaker vs Julio Cesar Chavez

1 Chavez
2 Chavez
3 Whitaker
4 Whitaker
5 Chavez
6 Whitaker
7 Whitaker
8 Whitaker
9 Chavez
10 Whitaker
11 Whitaker
12 Chavez

115-113 Whitaker

 

So among 2 of us, we gave Foreman every round he could get. 5. And that's a bit of a stretch.

 

Lennox Lewis v Tommy Morrison

Round 1: 10-9 Lewis
Round 2: 10-8 Lewis (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Morrison
Round 4: 10-9 Lewis
Round 5: 10-8 Lewis (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: Lewis drops Morrison twice before the ref stops the bout

Total through 5 completed rounds: 49-44 Lewis (actual scores: 49-44, 49-44 and a 50-43 all with Lewis leading)

Wanted to see a good slugfest and thought I would check this out. I know I've seen it before but was just looking for something exciting. Well...this wasn't really it. I would have liked to have seen some of Morrison's combos at work but perhaps you had to have a willing target in front of you and I don't think Lennox was so willing. Lennox methodically set him up with a jab and then fired the straight right hands. And Tommy had about enough of all that.

 

Haven’t seen this one in a while but my impression was always that it was Morrison who was reticent … not willing to go to war and trade (perhaps a lingering lesson from the Mercer reversal of fortune). My recollection is Tommy Gunn moving around and employing head movement but reluctant to let his hands go … and kind of wore himself out in the process.

To me, this was an unsuccessful version of the game plan he more successfully employed vs Big George.

 

Whatever was on my mind, I wanted to check out a couple of Tyrell Biggs fights today. I was never into him but he always showed heart.

Mike Tyson v Tyrell Biggs (Heavyweight title)

I remember watching this live at the time. Tyson was in his prime against a fighter the networks were always trying to push. I never got it, even when Ty was an amateur. I think this was the fight where Tyson made his famous quote, "Everyone has a plan until they're hit in the face!' I gotta tell ya, Ty took a real thumping in this fight. He started well enough but to Mike's point, the plan dissolved. I gave every round to Tyson and could have easily given a 10-8 in the 6th, but I am a rather conservative scorer. Anyways, I had it 60-54 before Tyson dropped Ty twice in the 7th to end it, along with Ty suffering a bad cut on the left eye in the 3rd. He really was methodically beaten down. My score was 60-54 through 6 completed rounds (actual scores: 60-54, 60-54 and 60-52).

Francesco Damiani v Tyrell Biggs

This bout was a rematch of the Olympic Final of '84 where Biggs won. Now we're in the pros and Biggs took a year off from the Tyson thumping and is thrown in here. He really could have used a few confidence builders first but it is what it is. Again, no sense running a card. I had the first round even and then Damiani took over, cutting Ty on the right eye this time where the doctor stopped it on the cut in the 5th. I had it 40-37 for Damiani at the time. It never really looked like it was going to end any other way other than a Damiani win on points as he seemed to be controlling the fight well. Of course the cut ended matters.

 

He was definitely talking about Biggs making women noises, haha.

 

I think some of those body shots Tyson was landing would make a lot of grown men squeal like a girl. Ouch!

 

Jones vs Toney. Wasnt really a fight as Roy just beat the **** out of him for 12 rounds. Not much to say

 

Sugar Ray Robinson v Gene Fullmer I (middleweight title) NY scoring on a rounds basis

Round 1: Fullmer
Round 2: Fullmer
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Robinson
Round 5: Fullmer
Round 6: Fullmer
Round 7: Fullmer (scores a knockdown)
Round 8: Fullmer
Round 9: Robinson
Round 10: Fullmer
Round 11: Robinson
Round 12: Robinson
Round 13: Fullmer
Round 14: Fullmer
Round 15: Even

Total: 9-4-2 Fullmer (actual scores: 8-5-2, 10-5, 9-6 all for Fullmer)

Where to begin? I've always said, if you're going to clinch with Fullmer you'd better have a vise-like grip on his arms because if he has one free he's going to be banging you on the top of the head, the back of the head, the kidneys, etc. And this fight really illustrates that statement. Ruby Goldstein gave Fullmer a lot of latitude, unless he was talking to him during the clinches. But never appeared to give a warning for the rabbit punches. Perhaps a lot of that had to do with the fact that Ray was turning his head into the punches. But I digress, Fullmer did a fantastic job of mugging Ray. Just like Duran did to Buchanan and Vito did to Corro. They took away the opponent's attributes via hard-nosed mugging. None of which were pretty but they were effective. One other thing I should mention, I did not feel the knockdown called in the 7th was legit. On a rounds basis no extra points are awarded but Ray was thrown down, IMO.

 

Sandy Saddler v Flash Elorde II (featherweight title)

Scoring on California's then-11-point system (6 to the winner and 5 to the loser and 5 1/2 to each with an even round)

Round 1: 5.5-5.5 Even
Round 2: 6-5 Saddler
Round 3: 6-5 Elorde
Round 4: 6-5 Saddler
Round 5: 6-5 Saddler
Round 6: 6-5 Elorde
Round 7: 6-5 Saddler
Round 8: 6-5 Elorde
Round 9: 6-5 Elorde
Round 10: 5.5-5.5 Even
Round 11: 6-5 Saddler
Round 12: 6-5 Saddler
Round 13: Saddler stops Elorde on cuts

Total through 12 completed rounds: 67-65 Saddler (actual scores: all 3 officials also had it 67-65 for Saddler)

This was quite a first. All 3 officials had the same score and so did I. What are the chances? Regarding the fight, Elorde really was a brlliant combination puncher. Oh, man when he would let loose they were beautiful. But Saddler was at home on the inside where Elorde invariably ended up. Getting banged around by Saddler on the inside wasn't a good prospect. And I gotta tell you, Sandy used that head of his like a pry-bar on Elorde. Only once did I see the ref caution Saddler and it was really minor. He just touched Saddler's head. Still in all, I enjoyed the fight.