the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Ron Lyle v Earnie Shavers (Colorado's 5-point must system)

Round 1: 5-4 Shavers
Round 2: 5-3 Shavers (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 5-5 Even
Round 4: 5-4 Shavers
Round 5: 5-4 Lyle
Round 6: Lyle KO's Shavers

Total through 5 completed rounds: 24-21 Shavers (scores unknown)

Bar none, one of the best heavyweight bouts for pure mayhem you will see. Man, what they unleashed on one another was something else. Lyle appeared to take Earnie lightly in the first two rounds and laying on the ropes against Earnie was only courting disaster. Ron eventually started countering with bombs off the ropes but not until after he was almost taken out at the end of the 2nd. He was damn lucky that left hook nailed him at the end of the round. There would be no coming back from that if it was mid-round. These two showed incredible heart throughout and it's only a pity the film wasn't the best and no sound (there actually is a version with sound, but don't believe it. It's only background noise that appears to be dubbed over. If you can't hear a thud from a blow, then there's no sound).

 

Jesse James Hughes vs Anthony Stephens (c), scheduled for 12 rounds at Bossier City Civic Center in Louisiana for the USBA welterweight title on Oct. 26, 1994.

Stephens is making his first defense of his belt after beating Harold Brazier (in a rematch after previously losing to him) for it. He’s basically fighting in his hometown — he’s from Shreveport, which is just across the river from Bossier City … which city you are in is basically which side of the river you’re on. He’s 22-6-2 (16) and came up short vs Felix Trinidad in his only world title try.

Hughes is at this point a hard-luck guy from Mobile, Alabama, who is 19-8 (15) with a few early losses to nobodies and has come up short in his bigger fights, but he has an iron jaw and an iron will.

A star was born this night. It burned brightly but not for long. After a few more fights, he would be found murdered in his hometown (still unsolved) the following summer.

Both are 29 and both weigh 146. I went with Boxrec records. ESPN televised (Top Rank Boxing) and had Stephens with one more win and Hughes with four more, which seems unlikely as his knockout tally was the same either way and knowing Hughes (a bit) and being around the Mobile fight scene during this time, no way JJH managed to sneak in four decision wins — he was more a KO-win-or-decision-loss kind of guy.

This was a barnburner for the ages. I was at the Isle of Capri casino on Bossier City (which sponsored/promoted this fight, but it was held offsite because they didn’t have an arena) some years later (the chain was later bought by I think Caesars and I think the casino still exists under a different name now) and they had a kind of ‘Hollywood Walk of Fame’ star at the entrance commemorating this fight.

Here we go:

1 — Stephens 10-9: Hughes comes out rough and hard in the first 30 seconds trying to set a physical tone, but Stephens gains control with his jab and times JJH coming in with rights and a couple of nice hooks.

2 — Stephens 10-9: Jesse James comes out hard again and lands a series of rights midway through, but Stephens finds his target the rest of the way with clean rights and hooks, opening a nasty cut under Hughes’ right eye.

3 — Stephens 10-9: Stephens’ jab is the dominant punch in this round and he keeps turning an aggressive Hughes while sneaking in a few rights. There’s a subtle shift late in the round as JJH closes the distance and begins to find his way with some body work and gets through with a few head shots.

4 — Hughes 10-8: Jesse James is aggressive and able to work at a closer range, and knocks Anthony down with a right. Stephens gets an extra 10 seconds or more as he lost/spit out his mouthpiece and the ref isn’t in too much of a hurry for the corner to get it back in, but Hughes still follows up well later in the round.

5 — Hughes 10-8: Another knockdown with an uppercut followed by a right. Jesse James lands more rights but Stephens rallies late to show he’s still in it.

6 — Stephens 10-9 (c): JJH stalks and mostly misses looking for one big right. Anthony finds his jab and lands a few combos.

7 — Even 10-10: You know how I hate even rounds, but I couldn’t find anything to separate them in this corker of a round. Hughes early as he comes in behind his jab and works Stephens over pretty good on the ropes and in the corner. Then Anthony digs deep and lands with big rights to rattle Hughes as he closes strong.

8 — Hughes 10-8: Stephens lands a big right and a hook early and has Hughes in trouble, and he batters him until he finally runs out of gas. Hughes weathers it and puts Stephens down (twice actually — ref started counting on the first one and then changed his mind, it seems). Stephens’ mouth is bloodied by round’s end (he got another spit-out-the-mouthpiece break in this round).

9 — Hughes 10-9: JJH stalks with singular right hands. Stephens uses every trick in his book to keep turning and sliding away to survive.

10 — Hughes 10-8: No knockdown this time, but Hughes badly wobbles Stephens with a right early and hurts him two more times, really beating him up. Somehow Anthony rallies late with a couple of flurries, showing a ton of heart. He fought most of this round with no mouthpiece as the ref either didn’t notice he lost it this time or didn’t care.

11 — Hughes 10-8: Another knockdown from a right hand. It happened early in the round and Hughes seems too exhausted to take advantage in his grueling affair. Again, Anthony somehow finished the round strong with a desperate attack.

12 — Standing ovation from the crowd to start the round as they touch gloves, and Stephens, remarkably, is all over Hughes as he tries to hold onto his title in front of his hometown folks. Then Hughes connects with a left hook for the 10-count at 1:50.

No scorecards. I had it 106-99 for Hughes. It’s one of those that is one-sided on the cards but competitive as hell with tons of turns of fortune.

I’d love to see how others scored this one. If you haven’t seen it, do yourself a favor.

And while I don’t think there’s a chance in hell that Hughes would have beaten Trinidad, I’d have loved to have seen him try.

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Mike Tyson vs James Tillis

1 Tillis
2 Tyson
3 Tyson
4 Tyson 10-8 Knockdown
5 Tyson
6 Tillis
7 Tyson
8 Tillis
9 Tillis
10 Tillis

95-94 Tyson

Very close fight IMO Tillis changed his diet for this fight after he found out he was allergic to certain stuff.

And it seemed to help as he had better stamina in this fight and he was also in good shape.

It would've been very interesting if Tyson wouldn't of scored that mnockdown in the 4th round as Tillis was easily winning that round which would've made it a draw on my card.

Tyson was just flat for the most part between rounds 6-10 he wasn't throwing alot of punches and at times look bewildered by Tillis's movement. I guess Tyson may of been a bit concerned about going the distance for the first time aswell.

But a good learning experience for Tyson though he proved he could go the distance in a tough fight which is what he needed at that point.

 

Larry Holmes vs Roy "Tiger" Williams

1 Holmes
2 Holmes
3 Williams
4 Holmes
5 Holmes
6 Williams
7 Holmes
8 Holmes
9 Holmes
10 Holmes

98-92 Holmes

This was scored on the 5 point must system but i just used the traditional scoring.

A solid fight and a competitive one whilst Holmes won most of the rounds he had to work for it that's for sure.

A few things to note about this fight.

Williams impressed me with how he was able to outjab Holmes in a few of the rounds.

Holmes isn't really known as a body puncher but he really focused alot to the body in this fight and showed he can be an underrated body puncher.

Neither man was really hurt in the fight although Holmes seemed slightly stunned by a left hook in the final round.

All in all a good win for Holmes early in his career against a durable dangerous 6'5 Heavyweight. It was clearly Holmes's best win at that stage in his career and it set the foundation for preparing Holmes for a world title fight in the not so distant future.

 

Scored this one a few months ago. I used the 5-point must but we are nearly in lockstep (I had the fifth even, but noted Larry’s body work throughout as you did). Here’s my account:

Larry Holmes vs Roy “Tiger” Williams, heavyweights, scheduled for 10 rounds on April 30, 1976, at Capital Center in Landover, Maryland.

This fight is on the undercards of Muhammad Ali’s defense vs Jimmy Young. Holmes is 20-0 (15) while Williams is 23-4 (17). Both have spent a fair amount of time sparring with Ali over the years and had sparred each other at least a few times. Holmes took the fight on eight days notice after fighting 25 days earlier.

Larry is 6-foot-3 and weighs 205. Roy is 6-5 and 238 1/2.

Maryland uses the 5-point must system, so that’s what I used:

1. Holmes 5-4: Larry establishes his jab, working it up and down, body and head, lands a few rights and hooks, especially a couple of nice hooks to the body. Roy starts slowly. Larry is mostly on the front foot and initiating everything — he steps laterally to not stay right in front of Williams but is flat-footed and Roy lands only a few jabs.

2. Holmes 5-4: Roy has a good stretch in the middle of the round where he finds the double-jab to be a useful weapon, but Larry is better early and late, closing strong with his jab and body shots (both lefts and rights).

3. Williams 5-4: Williams out-jabs Holmes in a surprising development, slipping most of Larry’s jabs and leaving him a bit puzzled.

4. Holmes 5-4: Larry uses more combinations to get the upper hand again, landing some clean rights and doing more good body work.

5. Even 5-5: Roy wins the battle of the jabs but Larry offsets it with body work.

6. Williams 5-4: Larry starts well, getting on his toes to get his jab working again, but Roy bears down later in the round with his own jab and lands a big right and hook to edge it. This is his best round and it looks like he’s on he verge of taking over.

7. Holmes 5-4: Larry goes toe to toe with Williams, standing his ground and backing Roy up. His jab and body work continue to be his best weapons but he adds a nice uppercut.

8. Holmes 5-4: Larry wins. This one big, landing almost at will. It looks like the deposits he made to the body-work bank are paying dividends. Holmes pretty much jabs his face off.

9. Holmes 5-4: This is a glimpse at future heavyweight champion Holmes. He backs Williams up and beats him up, ripping combinations and clearly dominating.

10. Holmes 5-4: Roy realizes the score, so to speak, and goes for it in the final minute or so. He loads up but mostly misses the mark, landing one big left hook, but Larry does more effective work over three minutes to close it out.

My score: 48-43. Official scores: Unknown, but it was unanimous.

This is the most important win for Holmes in his developmental stage, showing he was ready to step up. Williams was a boogeyman who most heavyweights wanted no part of and Larry proved to be more than his equal. Williams will get KO’d by Shavers in his next fight, win like six in a row and then retire. Holmes will soon after dominate Shavers to win a decision and earn a title shot.

That shot will come against Ken Norton, who beats Ron Stander by KO5 on this card.

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Julian Jackson v Thomas Tate (middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 JJ
Round 2: 10-9 JJ
Round 3: 10-9 JJ
Round 4: 10-8 JJ (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 10-9 Tate
Round 6: 10-9 Tate
Round 7: 10-9 JJ
Round 8: 10-9 JJ
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 JJ
Round 11: 10-9 JJ
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total: 118-111 Jackson (actual scores: 117-111, 116-111 and another 116-111 all for Jackson)

Saw this years ago but did not score. Pen to paper, I'm probably slightly more impressed with the Jackson power than the announcers (I think Farhood had Jackson up by only a 115-112 score) This is not to say Tate wasn't in the fight because he most certainly was - for a guy I don't think I had ever heard of before the fight, or maybe only peripherally. His combos were stinging but so much of the fight elapsed before turning it on. Decent fight though.

 

Hi Scar, scored this a few years ago. I had it a little tighter than you but clear enough for Jackson.


Julian Jackson v Thomas Tate

1 10-9
2 10-9
3 10-9
4 10-8
5 9-10 (great recovery from Tate who hurt Jackson)
6 9-10 (quite a turnaround. Tate dominates Jackson who looks like he's run out of steam)
7 9-10 (close. Jackson seemed like he'd recovered but didn't land much)
8 10-10 (Jackson has Tate in trouble early but Tate fights back hard)
9 10-9
10 10-9
11 10-9
12 9-10

Jackson 116-112 Tate

 

@Jel @scartissue

This is how I scored it years ago I was more in line with @Jel scorecard.

Julian Jackson vs Thomas Tate

1 Jackson
2 Tate
3 Jackson
4 Jackson knockdown 10-8
5 Tate
6 Tate
7 Jackson
8 Jackson
9 Tate
10 Jackson
11 Jackson
12 Tate

115-112 Jackson

So i haven't seen this fight in years and i was quite surprised Tate did better than i remembered. Tate threw a pretty good double jab all night long and anytime Jackson looked to have Tate in trouble Tate would always come right back.

I felt overall Jackson had the better of it he landed the harder punches. But Tate certainly had his moments and there was some reqlly brutal exchanges in this one.

Final thoughts Jackson showed he could fight a grueling 12 round slugfest and not just be known to knock people out early. Tate showed an unbelievable chin and to me that just goes to show how impressive Roy Jones stopping him in 2 rounds was. Because Tate had never been stopped in 48 fights and went 12 rounds with possibly the hardest P4P puncher of all time.

 

I'll add my review from a few years ago

Julian Jackson vs Thomas Tate August 1st 1992

Jackson (31 years old) is 44-1 42 KOs and the reigning WBC middleweight champion this is his 4th defense of that title. Tate (27 years old) comes in at 24-1 19 KOs and rated 10 by the WBC. How I'm not sure, his competition is pretty lackluster and he got tagged with his first loss a couple fights before this. Commentary even makes a comment about how sometimes in boxing fighters move up the ratings like magic (lol)

Round 1
Feeling out round evolved to Jackson being aggressive and Tate ultra defensive (with Jacksons rep, for a good reason)
10-9 Jackson

Round 2
More of the same, Tate on his bicycle and Jackson leading, not much damage being delivered though.

10-9 Jackson
20-18 Jackson

Round 3
Better round overall, Tate lands a nice right hand and wakes up Jackson who begins landing some nice shots, but Tate is taking them. Tate more willing to trade and come forward now having some success landing his own power shots. Still I think Jackson edged this round

10-9 Jackson
30-27 Jackson

Round 4
Tate boxing great here and Jackson has taken his foot off the pedal. 1:30 into the round Jackson lands a nice right hand to Tate's head. Tate having a lot of success though and is probably winning this round. Never mind! Jackson catches Tate with several hard shots and drops him with about 10 sec to go. Tate gets up and looks OK though.

10-8 Jackson
40-35 Jackson

Round 5
First 90 seconds is all Jackson to the point it looks like its getting close to a stoppage. Tate throws almost nothing. Then at almost exactly the half way point of the round Tate takes over and hurts Jackson. Roles are completely reversed here as now Jackson is on his bike trying to clear his head and Tate all over him. Wow

10-9 Tate
49-45 Jackson

Round 6
Tate very aggressive taking the fight to Jackson. Jackson in retreat mode. Jackson finally starts looking like he's recovered somewhat and lands some hard body shots that Tate wants no part of and slows his assault. A nice right hand and body shot by Jackson. Tate dominated most of the round though

10-9 Tate
58-55 Jackson (Steve farhood chimes in and the unnoficial scorecard he has is the same as mine)

Round 7
Tate must of not liked those shots from Jackson in round 6 because he's back on the bicycle and staying away. Jackson looking more like himself and stalking Tate occasionally landing some hard shots

10-9 Jackson
68-64 Jackson

Round 8
Jackson now even more aggressive and starts putting his shots together better than he has since the beginning of the fight. Jackson also doesn't forget to land hard body shots during his assault. Tate blocks a right hand but Jackson hits so incredibly hard Tate stumbles back from it. 40 seconds left of a Jackson dominated round and Tate has Jackson hurt! Now its all Tate! Jackson trying to goad Tate to come to him dropping his left hand low but Tate is having none of that trap and starts jabbing Jackson to the head. Round ends. I could see Tate stealing this round on some cards, but Jackson dominated so much I had to give it to him

10-9 Jackson
78-73 Jackson

Round 9
Much slower pace. A breather round for both. Both are cautious and Jackson takes his foot off the pedal to try to regroup. I think this was a mistake on Tates part. Jackson lands almost nothing but a hard body shot while Tate lands some shots here and there

10-9 Tate
87-83 Jackson

Round 10
Jackson looks back to form and lands some nice shots on Tate. Tate having some success landing jabs and the occasional combo but Jackson is really pressing the action this round. Tate slips through the ropes but is OK. Tate lands a hard right to Jackson who answers back.

10-9 Jackson
97-92 Jackson

Round 11
Tate boxing the best he's boxed all fight. Defensive hecus sound but committing to his offense as well. Jackson lands a few jabs and power shots but Tate answers back whenever Jackson does

10-9 Tate
106-102 Jackson

Round 12
Jackson starts aggressive and tries to bomb Tate out of here but can't. Now Jackson looks exhausted and his right eye appears to be closing. Jacksons bombs are now slower and aren't landing with a lot of success. Tate is in control at the end of the round as Jackson is stumbling around completely spent

10-9 Tate
115-112 Jackson

Unofficial judge farhood has it exactly the same

Official judges have it
117-111, 116-111, 116-111

Crowd boos(lol)

Tate put up a great fight against the monster Jackson. If he would of not gotten clipped earlier in the fight my scorecard would of been a draw (officially he would of still lost). Jackson was done in round 12 and credit to him for surviving. He hadn't been that many rounds often in his career because.....well he's Julian Jackson. Commendable performances by both.

This would be the last title defense for Jackson, he would then defend against McClellan and get KOd and KOd in the rematch. He would go on to regain this title after Gerald vacated it, but would quickly drop it to Quincy Taylor.

Tate would go on for another 10ish years. He would actually regroup after this before losing to Jones Jr and then Rocky Gannon (haha what?). And Silvio Branco. Tate would have a career resurgence beating a string of prospects fringe contenders before fighting Sven Ottke twice for the IBF title and retiring

 

George Chuvalo vs Doug Jones

1 Even
2 Chuvalo
3 Chuvalo
4 Chuvalo
5 Jones
6 Jones
7 Chuvalo
8 Chuvalo
9 Jones
10 Chuvalo
11 Chuvalo wins by TKO

96-93 Chuvalo

Very good fight alot of good inside fighting from both fighters.

This fight is a simple case of the more skillful fighter being forced to fight the brawlers type fight on the inside.

Chuvalo was simply too physical too tough and his punches were alot more effective. And Chuvalo simply wore Jones out who couldn't deter Chuvalo from coming forward who has a well noted iron chin.

Jones was competitive but i always felt like Chuvalo was in control of the fight IMO.

Worth watching though an underrated Heavyweight fight that doesn't get mentioned often.

 

@Pepsi Dioxide , @Jel , @Dynamicpuncher , loved all your cards. Pepsi, very descriptive round-by-round as well. Y'know, I was torn a bit on that last round. I just didn't think Tate did enough to overcome JJ's early success in the round, which is why I went even. But have no issue if anyone saw just a bit more for a comfortable pick. Glad to see everyone getting involved on this fight.

 

Doug Jones v George Chuvalo (NY rounds scoring)

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Chuvalo
Round 3: Chuvalo
Round 4: Jones
Round 5: Jones
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Chuvalo
Round 8: Jones
Round 9: Jones
Round 10: Chuvalo
Round 11: Chuvalo drops and stops Jones

Total through 10 completed rounds: 4-4-2 Even (actual scores: 6-3-1 and 7-3 both for Chuvalo with a 6-3-1 for Jones)

The drawback on this fight was the film, because there was no sound. Decent film quality but no sound. I tend to like that thump of leather and the screams from the audience but even with film only I really enjoyed this duel. That first round alone set the tone for this bout. And let me tell you, both these styles just gelled beautifully. In those early rounds Chuvalo just outmuscled the smaller Jones and I thought, what was with Jones' corner having him stay inside with George, who was manhandling him. However, in the 3rd, Doug started showing his full arsenal of beautiful sharp punches from the outside. He was golden on the outside but he had a lot of warrior in him and Chuvalo was going to oblige him when they went head to head, which Doug couldn't resist. George's shots finally caught up with matters in the 11th and he wasn't going to let Doug off the hook. A damn good fight, which would have been better with sound.

 

Yeah, but who was the killer?

 

Miguel Canto vs. Betulio Gonzalez III, October 3, 1976
Canto: 1, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11,12, 13, 15
Gonzalez: 2, 3, 7, 8, 14
145-140 for Canto

Judges' scores:
Jose Escalante (Mexico), 149-144 Canto
Rafael Cartaya (Venezuela), 146-144 Gonzalez
Harry Gibbs (referee, UK), 147-143 Canto

I guess this is my equivalent of pouring one out for Canto. It wasn't a thriller, just a competitive, technical bout between the two top flyweights at that point in time. Gonzalez fought well. He had fights in his career in which he simply didn't throw enough, but I thought he worked hard here and had the fight even after eight. Canto was just a little too quick for him. Quicker punches and quicker reflexes, especially in close. There were rounds in which Gonzalez had no answer for Canto's jab, and Canto also had a sweet body-head double left hook working. I really liked when they started infighting in round twelve. That had to be something Gonzalez was hoping he'd get, but Canto outfought him on the inside as well. This might be the best win of Canto's career, a pretty clear victory in the number-two flyweight's hometown.

Interestingly, the Mexican narrator, briefly voicing over the Venezuelan broadcast, made reference to the previous day's victory by Guty Espadas over Alfonso Lopez, and noted that Lopez had been the superior of the two flyweight champions. Perhaps Canto hadn't yet established himself as one of the greats less than two years into his reign.