The whole Loma was too small thing

are you mentally ill? or do you think readers are? cause someone would have to be mentally ill to think your level of analysis is in any way shape or form at the same level as mine or other posters on that level. you are an emotional child, who dksab and is too dumb too know that theres even anything to know, about boxing. stay in your lane, kid.

 

Can confirm he's definitely shorter than 5'6".
I also have a standing photo with him while wearing slippers and he's wearing basketball shoes with those thick soles and I was noticeably taller, and I'm 168cm or about 5'6 1/4.
Even in the photo of us sitting down you can see his torso is shorter.
He's probably 5'5" but I won't be surprised if he's actually 5'4" without any footwear.

 

Post the pic, bruh.

 

It does not so much matter how boxer takes a loss, more matters how fanbase and managers, gym and boxer's promoter will react to this loss. If he does have sponsors, then their reaction and further actions too are not predictable.
Sometimes ( not rarerly ) sponsor might pull out and not ask to put his label on for next fight.
Pay lesser cos boxer isn't undefeated anymore.
Contracted sponsors who are paying some sums on permanent basis too.

Also if you are defeated, you should guess, how much they will pull in your next training camp etc.
Unless you have your own money or personal sponsors, not rare cases relatives, family.

If you do not get suitable fight to " cover " loss, you are almost done there.
Maybe they will put you as journeyman somewhere vs prospects or like this.
In pro boxing boxers fear to loss for a serious reason, for multiple very serious business reasons.

 

exactly. and boxing is not like other sports, its completely unforgiving. if you arent world class at all of those things simultaneously, the results are catastrophic. when i talk about a complete fighter, im talking about that guy. the one who can do it all, or is capable of learning to do it all. i can probably count those on 2 hands, looking at current rosters. thats how rare these freaks are.

 

Calling people names doesn't strengthen your arguments. Be better.

I'm quoting this excerpt above to focus on round 2. I don't have time to watch the other rounds at the moment, but I did just re-watch round 2 and it is a perfect illustration that you are employing biased scoring. Loma did absolutely nothing -- zilch -- for the first two minutes of the round, while Lopez came forward and landed a few shots (nothing of consequence, but he landed a few) and Loma was in retreat.

As a result, Loma was in a huge hole entering the final minute. This is because you score every second of the round, not *only* the exchanges. Loma landed a nice left hand in the final minute as well as another shot or two at the bell. Even so, during the final minute he mostly stayed in retreat to the extent that Lopez feinting had him jumping backward.

I would give Loma the edge in the final 60 seconds, but by no means did he do enough to overcome his total lack of offense the first two minutes of the round. Again, you score every second of the round. If one guy comes forward while the other disengages yet the guy coming forward gets slightly outlanded, the guy coming forward almost always wins the round.

If scoring worked the way you want it to, it would facilitate stealing rounds. Guys would simply back away from the competition until they were ready to land a couple of meaningless flurries to say they outlanded the opponent. You can certainly understand why it would be harmful to reward guys for fighting that way. You want to encourage aggression and action. This is a fundamental distinction between the pros and AMs. Loma fought like an AM in round 2, and you don't win rounds that way at world level.

 

Same level as yours??? Lmao you've got intellectual capacity of a 13 yo fangirl you cretin

 

says the kid with a cartoon avatar he made in one of his emotional outbursts.
and he thinks it looks cool and clever....AAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

Bare in mind, that even when Pac was fighting at 126, he was getting in the ring in the low 140s

 

The absolute dishonesty to call me biased in respect of round 2. Mate you don't know what you're talking about. Ultimately the priority is landing punches amateur or pro boxing.

Loma absolutely lands the much cleaner work in that round. And I'll take you through everything because you obviously haven't seen it with a keen eye (chronologically) . Lopez lands a right hand to the body as Loma is retreating and it lands right at the end of the extension, Loma takes the sting off of it by overextending Lopez and rretreating. Lopez lands on the gloves then he throw two hooks to the body, one that lands just below the belt on the thigh (it's hard to see but there are various angles of where it lands) and then lands a left hook on the elbow. He then proceeds to throw and land on Lomas arm/shoulder as he is retreating. Fast forward posturing, Loma lands a clean straight followed by another weaker straight. Loma lands a jab that appears to nick Lopez face at the 30 second mark. Fast forward more posturing Loma lands a straight left followed by a right hook. Note these punches are far far cleaner and more numerous than anything from Lopez in the round. Lopez lands an inside glove hook just after that combo.

Loma thus wins the criteria of cleaner more purposeful and numerous punches landed (the ultimate priority).

I think it would be fair to give Loma the criteria of defense since Lopez struggled to land anything clean in that round (your best argument is right hand to the body).

Now to ring general ship: 85-90% of this round 2 is contested in the middle of the ring. Lopez is in the center and Loma is just out of range circling Lopez. Loma on 3 or 4 occasions retreats to the ropes when Lopez is throwing and missing which is reasonable. Therefore I do not believe any criteria of ring general can be just given to Lopez for this. If anything the ring general position should be given to Loma as he made Lopez over extend/unable to land whilst simultaneously getting outlanded.

There is far more criteria to give the round to Loma than Lopez unfortunately for you. And I find it disgusting that you're allowed to throw around the word bias. Watch the fight again and actually look out for what lands properly because you're either being biased or have no idea what you're watching. You're essentially saying let's give Lopez this round becuase he followed Loma around the ring not particularly dominantly and landed right hand that Loma essentially nullified and an inside glove slap at the end. I don't think it's me that needs to be scoring every second of the round becuase you're definitely not doing it!

 

Well, activity is highly rewarded in amateur ranks and this is not main difference between pros and ams there.
The most depth difference are gloves ( if you are really interested I might continue there ) and round length and also not rarerly how refs handle out clinches.
Also in ams happens too fast stoppages but this is for a reason.
Ammy boxing or KB is not walk in the park and lads had died, even with these head guards and am gloves.
Modern am boxing is too far from am from 50 ies - beginning of 60 ies this not rarerly was more brutal than modern pro boxing.

I had scored rd 2 for Lopze but as close round and most likely I had did the same also if this was fight under am rules.
Also I had did the same with round 6, this was very close round and I had scored this for Lopez.
So there I also had scored round12 for Lopez and this was close round, more close than ppl might yell.

So for Lopez I had scored 1 st round : wide for Lopez and damn surprisnigly impressively wide for Lopez, 0 doubts there.
2 nd round: very close fight, I had scored this for Lopez.
3 rd round: relatively wide for Lopez.
4 th round : relatively wide for Lopez.
5 th round : relatively wide for Lopez.
6 th round : very close and still for Lopez.
12 th round : far more close than ppl yell here but I had scored this for Lopez.

So with this I had scored fight for Lopez as 7-5.

 

This is wrong. There is no "ultimate priority", as scoring takes multiple factors into account. Most people would say that hurting your opponent is the top priority, but certainly clean hard shots, clean shots, volume of shots, defense and aggression all are in the mix to some extent. Volume of landed shots is important but does not overrule the other aspects necessarily. It never has in the pros. I outlined the reasons in my prior post about why that's important.

In round 2, to the extent Loma outlanded Lopez, it was by very little. The reality is that not much action happened that round for either man. As such, the guy coming forward trying to make the fight gets the benefit of the doubt. From that perspective it was an easy round to score. Again, Loma did *absolutely nothing* for the first two minutes and stayed out of punching range, digging himself a hole in that round. He had to do something convincing in the final minute to tip it, which he failed to do.

Easy round to score for Lopez. You don't reward guys for staying out of range without throwing, and then potshotting to steal a round.

 

What does mean " to steal a round " and how?
Do you think that for example amateur boxer might get win by circling around out of range and not throwing anything?
For sure this is quite opposite : you need to land on him something and the more, the better.
For am scoring most suitable are long range jabs. More easier to see your punching, more chances to get scores there.
Also about activity. You throw 1 close range punch and opponent threw 3 jabs and landed on you, no one in ams will dream " how much this did hurt or other dreams ".
Ofc you need to be active to win am fight. Pure running around will bring nothing there. Otherwise was possible to install there elite runner and get wins, medals.

 

I'm talking about the pros, not the AMs. Stealing a round meaning that you disengage or negate the action for almost the entire round only to throw a few shots at the end hoping the judges essentially will score incompetently the way @Quina74 wants them to. If your reduce scoring to volume of punches landed, you end up rewarding negative behavior.