The Williams vs. Margarito punch stats were crazy!!!!!!!!

You are wrong all of the time, so your opinion just makes mine stronger. You were dead wrong on the Floyd Hatton fight. You are dead wrong again. Cotto is by far no means a slugger. Never was. Williams is not disciplined. He likes to trade and fight. If you actually watch him fight, the margarito fight was him sticking to the gameplan the whole fight. That would work on a fighter like Margarito who CANT do anything else. Cotto can fight backing up and counter. He can come forward behind a very fast and hard jab. He can get off combinations. Paul Williams hand speed is not faster then Cottos. That is ridiculous.

 

Spot on. A shorter fighter will always have it easier getting inside, as they are more compact defensively, and can slip and move far easier under the taller opponents punches. Look at guys like Chavez, Tyson, Dempsey, Marciano, Frazer ect... All shorter fighters who were great on the inside. Paul Williams IS NOT a good counter puncher, does not fight well off the back foot, and WOULD GET BADLY BEATEN BY COTTO!!! Its all about styles here when it comes to Williams.

 

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So what about a fight with Floyd and Williams?

 

When I first saw Williams I was one of the first people to think that he would be all wrong for Mayweather. Then seeing the way that Marg could at times avoid almost all of William's punches with limited defense made me reconsider. Perhaps Mayweather being the best defensive fighter in boxing can manage to stand his ground, and use his great defensive abilities to pick Williams apart from inside his long reach. I think a great fighter like Mayweather is may just have the ability to adapt. He would not be able to use his superior movement though, and would also not be able to pot shot from the outside. He would have to be prepared to stand his ground, and block 3-4 punches to land his 1. Can he actually do it??? I think he could, although at this point I wouldn't be very confident, and I believe it would need to be an incredible performance from Mayweather. If i had to make a pick it would be Floyd by close UD. I can certainly see where those who are picking Williams are coming from though. I just don't think Williams has the offensive arsenal to really get to Floyd effectively. He often times is quite limited in his range of punches that he throws.

 

For those who may think I don't like PW as a fighter also, he is actually one of my top 10 favourite fighters in boxing right now. I think he is very talented, and will be extremely tough for anyone to beat. Just not sure if he can beat 2 of the top p4p fighters in the world. I will be very interested to see how he performs against Quintana.

 

Margarito beat Williams arse that night. Watch that fight as see for yourself, but the criminal judges are just that, criminals.

 

You've got to be joking. Winning a couple rounds at the end of a fight doesn't win you the entire fight. Boxing is scored ROUND BY ROUND!!!

 

Not wanting to change thread topic, but interested to hear people's analysis of Williams vs Mayweather and Williams vs Cotto.

 

Given my analysis on Mayweather/Williams. As for Cotto/Williams, I've said before that if there's a style to beat Williams, it's someone who can get inside, dig at his body, and break him down, and there's none better for the job than Cotto.

 

How can you say that Cotto never was by far a slugger? You saw the way he finished Pinto, Bailey and Zab? He is all about brute strength and sheer willpower, and that doesn't mean that he is not a great fighter - he is a tremendous fighter... He hits you with monster blows on your head, body, shoulders, kidneys, everywhere, he stopped Branco with a shot to the right shoulder which wrenched his arm from its socket! Even Urkal had more finesse in the short periods he countered against this guy... But then you would say that he is a good counter puncher cause he could fight on the back step against NDou, Abdulaev and Shane - that is BS and you know it which makes it worse - Mosley was one that clearly wouldn't press him more due to the strength of this guy and the brutality of his blows ( jab, right cross, left hooks). He didn't outclass Shane simply b.c. Mosley tried to slug it out with him in the first place and Cotto had to give him that!!!

Then, you insist to bring back the Hatton-Mayweather fight when I was the one who feared for the guy's health and wrote in the summer that Hatton would either lose by a lopsided decision or would be stopped and I quote myself from back then:

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Margarito was clearly beaten in every department that makes sense in boxing - outjabbed, outpunched, took all sorts of shots out of the combination ( short hooks, straight counters, right n left uppercuts, body shots) - and he took Williams very lightly which is a stupid thing to do but he was not beaten in his own game (???) just b.c. his volume of punches was lower than Williams' - Margarito's game is to press his opponent back and get the better out of punch exchanges - he was stronger than Williams in the middle rounds ( 7th, 8th) and in the end stretch ( 10th, 11th) - he would never get the better of exchanges early simply cuz he just blocked punches and didn't punch until late in the fourth...

Cotto is economical and accurate - he lands more or close to the 50 % connect rate mark in power punches and there's a great line in boxing that if you are able to do that, you're gonna win the fight - and Miguel is definitely faster ( not proven stronger) than Margo... I repeat myself that if Williams fights like he did against Margarito, Cotto can't do much about it and better protect himself and not open up to catch PW to the body - Cotto can get wobbled too with shots to the temple you know? ( Torres, Corley).

 

Bull****, and a total lie. I was at that fight, and I have 300 pictures to prove you otherwise, and I heard the fans shut up after Williams constantly beat Margarito to the punch, all night long. You can say what you want, when 3000 mexican fans are cheering at the beginning of a fight then completely silent in rounds 3-12 you know their boy got his ****ing ass kicked.

Here's one right here of your boy about to get tagged, and I have plenty more of these I took.

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I say "at his own game" because Margarito is a volume puncher himself and loves to bully opponents with his non-stop offense. Against Williams, he was forced to the defensive and simply got outhustled, which he probably would have considered an impossibility.

Cotto has greater craft than Margarito and fights from a lower posture that will enable him to get better -- and safer -- access to Williams' midsection. Having said that, I do agree that Paul hits harder than he's given credit, and he might give Miguel so much hell on his way in that Cotto gets pushed to the outside. Still, I'd favor Cotto by a moderate margin.

For Williams, the next step in his development is to take a page from Joe Calzaghe's playbook. I'd like to see Paul occasionally sit on some punches and mix up the velocities, using both volume and solid (not great) power to catch guys with harder stuff.

 

Nobody would say that Cotto would win against Mosley based on craftyness - actually this is precisely what they were sayin about him - Cotto has been put somehow on the slow track by his handlers after the Torres fight, fighting punchers who couldn't box and boxers who couldn't punch ( check HBO's telecast before ring entrance Cotto-Urkal)...

On Paul Williams and according to PW himself:

"How can they call themselves world champions or top contenders and be afraid to fight me? I will just have to do what we did with Margarito, and not allow the other champions the ability to run from me....it can get frustrating though. Guys don't want to get in the ring with me because they know they are going to have to fight. They know that I'm not going to be showboating for the camera. I am going to fight and fight for the whole three minutes of every round. They don't want to fight someone like that."

Paul Williams is basically sayin the same that I said - he's sayin that "other champions" are doubting about their own chances against him if he fights the whole three minutes of every round like he did with Margarito... Now, Williams CLEARLY called out for Mayweather and Cotto in his last HBO telecast post-fight interview with Larry Merchant so I guess this leaves no doubts about who are the other champions and why does he ( and I ) think that he would win against those.