The world has gone mad. Fans dont know what p4p is!

He would be extremely to have an ally like that during his stay here.

 

No one should take CHJ seriously, especialy when he is serious. He's not brilliant or realy smart...and not that funny really. Maybe one in 10. But he's a Calzaghe ass kisser...and he has fans who do the same. So they pretend he's HILARIOUS in support or that you have to be very smart to "get" him..:roll:

But his P4P criteria is pretty weak. It's the same flawed criteria Amstersnob and a frew others subscribe to. Using not results, but just what who they THINK will win in H2H matchups even with great weight differnces. Often based on who's more skilled in their eyes. Or not realizing a 175 pound Mirajes would fight or look like the actual version they love.

 

pound for pound P4P = Who is better as far as ability when compared to those in and out of their logical possible weight classes.

head to head H2H = Who would win if they were to actually get in the ring and fight.

You cannot expect that Mijares although being much higher P4P than Samuel Peter to last long against Peter in a head to head competition- the weight disposition is outlandish! But we can say that he is better pound for pound.

 

Outstanding.

 

Fair bit of effort gone in there...

 

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Thank You Pacfan94...china Hand Joe Got Into A Discussion With Me About P4p And H2h And Weight And All That ****..hes An Idiot But Ur Post Describes It All Perfect

 

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Wonder if he can still have kids :shock:




Your insightful post is well appreciated Pac.

 

This is one of the main reasons I disagree with the P4P ranking we have at the present.... the whole concept has changed.... when SRR was named the best boxer, regardless of weight classes, was because who he was... he was simply the best, the complete package. It was named the best P4P because of his skills, resume, ability, performance, accomplishments, greatness, etc, etc, etc.

There was no a P4P ranking at that time, and there was no need for that. SRR was named the P4P best because at that particular era/time he was the best, it was not based on one particular victory, or what he did in one particular month because that is not the concept of greatness or being the best P4P, the concept was to reach that level and mantain it during certain period of time.

Unfortunately the original concept has changed, now we have this so called P4P ranking, which does not really represent greatness for all the boxers, it doesn't represent the best neither, as a matter of fact, in some cases, all what a boxer has to do is have more wins than loses and beat some one who is part of that list to be part of it..... and the sad part is that the so called P4P (ongoing) ranking is based on perceptions, speculations... you have to quantify somehow whos victories or defeats are more significant to determine positions every month or so.

No wonder why many people believe that if you are part of that list you can beat (H2H) other boxers.... I think is because people have been misled. I still remember some posters (I don't want to mention names) saying (about H2H fantasy matches), that boxer A would have beaten certain boxers, (eventhough the vast majority thought the opposite) but their only claims were that Boxer A was (lets say) # 4 P4P and the other boxer was not part of the ranking, or was never close to #4 or whatever position in any era.

There is another thing that I want to mention and that is that the #1 P4P position should be earned (don't misunderstand this) and not given to a boxer just because the #1 retires. This is no a criticism to Pac, he has nothing to do with this, it is a criticism to the system we have in place. This is why I believe we should go back to what we had in the past because this situation wouldn't have happend at all.

The P4P bests (top ten, eventhough I disagree with 10, one (the best) is enough) of a particular period of time or era (every year, every three years?) should be anounced at the end of that particular period/era ... it should be as a recognition for all the aspects I mentioned in the beginning. Think about the Cy Young award in baseball.... you don't give the Cy Young award every month.

 

I think you are comparing apples with oranges here. Tennis doesn't have weight classes.