Then if Calzaghe wins, he has proved his greatness...

Calzaghe beating Jones means 0.

 

Jones is shot, a win over him counts as much as a win over a 0-100 journeyman. Some deluded people are picking Jones, yeah, but these guys are living in the past and not the present.

The Hopkins "win" counts, yes but against Calzaghe. He arguable lost the fight against a 43 year old who fought 2 weight-classes above his prime weight. At paper a good win but if you look deeper it counts more against Joe than anything else.

 

Counts against him? Does that mean Tarver and Winky are nobodies for actually losing to someone aged 41/42 two divisions above his prime weight? Hopkins style was very bad for Calzaghe (who's a counter puncher at heart) - it was a good win. Before the fight a lot of people on here were picking Hopkins and saying his age wasn't a factor.

I don't see how beating the man regarded as the best at LHW can count against you...........

 

No, no. You got it ALL wrong. The BHop that was going to beat the white boy was far less able to affect his grapple-nut-dive strategy due to age than the 36 year old speed based Calzaghe who has suffered no wear and tear to his hands and can not possibly have lost his main asset (speed) at 36. C'mon, get real.

 

Calzaghe already is an ATG and future HOFer. :happy

 

Nope, it means it counts against Calzaghe because he arguable even lost the fight against someone who was 43 and 2 weightclasses above his best. If he would have beaten B-Hop convincingly it would count for him.

 

Yep, that he is. But still a win over RJJ doesn´t mean anything.

 

If Calzaghe was from the USA!!

 

It means he`ll retire on a very nice pay day. Good luck to him.

 

Calzaghe is a great, great fighter b'cause he has the resume, he has been able to deal with pressure to keep his titles and record clean and he still wants more. More than anything, he was able to turn things to his side in very difficult circumstances such as coming off the deck early against the likes of Mitchell, Salem and Hopkins and box his way to victory against more powerful fighters in Eubanks, Reid, Lacy and Kessler. Sure some of his WBO title defenses mean little to nothing but he has shown his skills, heart and grit. Having said this, his wins against Eubanks, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins mean a lot ( specially looking back at the fights) but this one should not be more than a fairwell fight. Look at Jones and the way he travelled to a points decision against a faded Tito Trinidad... What does it really mean to beat Jones after his losses to Johnson and Tarver? Calzaghe puts another famous name in his resume, that's all!

 

The Jones win will mean nothing because of what Roy has done recently. He hasn't beaten a legit world class fighter in 5 years, and that was a disputed decision over Tarver in their first fight. He's lost his mobility, his hand speed (he still has fast hands, but calling prime Jones fast is a massive understatement). His reflexes are gone, his legs aren't what they used to be, and his handspeed isn't what it used to be. Calzaghe beating Jones means next to nothing.

Jones has a whole lot of nuthuggers, that's why people are saying he'll win.

Calzaghe is past his prime as well, but not as much as either Jones or Hopkins. His best performaces were just 2 or 3 years ago, he's looked better recently now than he did about 6 years ago, because even though he used to commit more to his punches, that took something away from his speed and workrate, both of which are superior now than they were 6 years ago.

Jones at 40 has lost virtually all of his freakish althleticism, the main reason for his greatness.

Hopkins' workrate is now less than half of what it used to be, he throws right hands almost exclusively now where as in his prime he threw every punch, he's lost some speed of reflexes, hand, and foot, and now he almost always has to back up and look to counter, as compared to the prime Hopkins who could either be an aggressor or a counterpuncher and dominate opponents either way.

Calzaghe's already HOF worthy and probably should be called great, but a win over Jones now means nothing.

 

If RJJ wins does it mean anything?