Then if Calzaghe wins, he has proved his greatness...

I disagree. Piling on muscle for the Ruiz fight then burning it all off again, coupled with age, shot RJJ's reflexes and punch resistance to ****. It ****ed with his body in a way he didn't understand. If you look at the Johnson KO, it is Jones's decimated reflexes and punch awareness that allow him to be caught with a big swing to the temple- if anyone takes a huge punch to the head, they can go down, it's human biology. That wasn't a weakness of the chin, his reflexes were ****ed because he had been ****ing with his body and he got caught high on the head. Lights Out.

The Tarver KO showed his chin had weakened due to the reasons stated above, but it wasn't always like that. Watch the 1st Montell Griffin fight. Jones takes a couple of big shots flush and doesn't blink, and that was when he was at his peak.

You can't say that a guy who gets KO'd in his late 30s always had a bad chin through his 20s, the body doesn't work like that. Especially not after what Jones put his body through.

 

wow, I agree with you. That isn´t happening that often. :deal

 

Hang on, hang on :nono. You can if you're a member of ESB :roll:.


Seriously though I wonder how many folks here who argue about "weak chins" have actually ever been punched square on the jaw themselves .

Then, again... maybe I don't wonder

 

No your wrong, Joe is one dimensional he did not change his gameplan and force hopkins to fight at a higher pace than he likes. He did not put hopkins on his bike for the majority of the fight. Joe just done some windmill slaps while moving forward in straight lines. Hopkins was moving and countering well against one dimensional no plan b Joe until round 10.

If only hopkins had more stamina he wouldnt have been beaten by joes one dimensional slapping. :tired

 

This should be obvious to people.

 

That much is quite clear :tong

 

i agree to an extent. joe didnt use the angles that he used in the kessler and lacy fights a lot of the time he was coming straight forward and getting caught flush with counters. I was surprised he didnt adapt to hopkins clinching a smarter fighter would have thrown foot feints or peppered him with uppercuts as hopkinsn came in with his head down but instead joe came straight forward and held his feet thus making him an easier target for counters and for clinching

 

Well, clearly it's not. I mean these are the same people who are arguing Kessler and Pavlik are pretty much exactly the same fighter :-(

And that somehow Slappy Joe's victory over the former (who from round 5 onwards fought like he had been informed his momma had fell down the stairs and broken her leg) gives him a blueprint for the latter :blood .


I mean, come on... how much :barf can you spew?

 

Peak James Toney wasn't a big puncher? He had stoppage wins over Nunn, DeWitt, Barkley, Tim Littles and Charles Williams before he fought Jones. Ruiz was a heavyweight who had a 40lbs weight advantage over Jones, he could clearly have KO'd Jones if he caught him, that was a big risk for RJJ. Young Bernard Hopkins was a good puncher too, Jorge Castro was a huge puncher (ended his career with 90 KOs), Merqui Sosa's last 12 wins before Jones had come by KO or TKO, Richard Hall ended his career with 26 KOs from 28 wins, and Tarver had 17 KOs from 21 wins when Jones beat him 1st time out.

I have had a second look at the record, and I still think your criticism is a bit unfair, regardless of Sugar Ray Leonard's opinion, which isn't infallible.

 

Roy Jones fought many big punchers. You don't know what you are talking about.

 

I do though. See above for evidence.

 

Not necessarily. It could just be that these folks think Calslappy is ****. Nothing to do with other European fighters.

 

I don't think he was addressing you though.