Then if Calzaghe wins, he has proved his greatness...

Absolutely 100% spot on.

I've got a very vivid memory of Calslappys fans all deserting him around 2002-2003 when he kept talking **** about taking big fights and going to the States to take on the big names - even the nut-huggers were starting to jump off the bandwagon back then. Suddenly he beats 2 pretty unproven fighters and a 43 year old (he won but still managed to look out-classed in my opinion) and he's God again atsch

I remember the bull**** that was Jones fighting Calzaghe yeah. Calzaghe wanted the fight in Wales, Enzo to be ref and he also wanted the lions share of the purse. Yes, the WBO 168 champion thought he held all the cards when bargaining for a fight with the undisputed 175 champion

The most amusing thing about that sorry charade for me was that once Jones rightly told Calzaghe to crawl back under his stone, camp Calslappy invented a story about the fight being cancelled because Jones had demanded that he appear on 'top of the pops' in England to perform one of his rap songs as part of the deal - some Calzaghe fans actually believed that this was the reason the fight was cancelled....you seriously couldn't invent **** as weak as that, unless your surname was Calslappy :rofl

 

Jones took on a few fighters that could be classed as bums I suppose - the difference is the Jones fans don't try to defend them. The Calslappy fans try to make out guys like Robin Reid to be an absolute killer. Someone also (not sure if it's in this thread or not) tried to say that Mger Mkrtchian was a murderous puncher when trying to big up Calslappys resume :nut

 

Someone posted a web quote of Joe from some years back admitting he wanted no part of Jones.

 

Yeah, my point for Jones and Calzaghe not getting it on is that it suits them both. Jones can get paid the same money for fighting a bum that he can get for fighting Calzaghe (not worldwide recognised) and Calzaghe is a bigger risk than a lot of the guys he fought. Joe would have lost to Jones and the Fwank gravy train would be derailed so its not something they can look to unless the money is right etc.

Robin Reid is not a killer but was a decent class operator at his peak imo (definitely no bum).
The early/prime Reid was not the same guy that showed up against Lacy who everybody likes to remember.
He is a guy who nearly ****ed the fraud Ottke nearing the end of his career!
The latter Reid (Lacy fight) would be attributed to Calzaghe when in fact the Reid Calzaghe fought was a good fighter.

 

I appreciate that was your point...I understood what you were saying but my point was that 'Jones bums were better than Calzaghes bums' if that makes sense. I mentioned Reid because had Jones fought him he'd have been one of the 'bums' yet Calzaghe fans still claim him as a big win, because the fight was VERY close - I had Reid winning. I like Robin Reid, always did - classy guy both in and out of the ring by all accounts.

The thing I disagree on is that Calzaghe would have been a bigger risk than some of the so-called 'bums' that Jones fought. I really don't think he would have been, he'd have just got beaten silly and embarrassed, which was the real reason the fight never happened. Warren does this with all his fighters....I'm still amazed he allowed the Enzo-Haye fight to happen to be honest but Haye did sucker him into taking that one.

 

Proof?

 

No proof whatsoever then, just talking ****. Just like your claims that Jones never fought a puncher or that Leonard said he'd never train him because he never had a chin

 

Yeah, I repeated myself for some reason (watching olympics here am, very late).
I think Robin Reid said after the Ottke fight "I couldnt have won the fight if i had my mum and two sisters as judges" :rofl

I rate Joe's boxing skills but I do agree that Warren would not like to see that fight. Joe himself prolly knew he was a big underdog in it.

I dont think I can have Jones raping Joe in the sense you have above .
Its like stating 70's/80's liverpool beat any man u team 90's onward .

On a side note as you mention Fwank.
I find it amazing from what we know about Fwank, and how he works, that many haters of Joe think that Joe and Fwank split up because Fwank wanted Joe to fight Pavlik.
Joe wanted no part of this fight so Fwank and Joe split :rofl:rofl.
This is what all the Calzaghe haters are stating in their Joe is ducking Pav threads. Joe and Fwank make much more money from Jones than Pav but the doubters think Fwank is some promoter god who wants to make the best fights. atsch

 

Gotta love Robin Reid for that....he won that fight clearly in everyone but the judges eyes - and he used to shag the **** out of Teresa May which has to give him respect surely.

On a footballing note - Liverpool back around 1983 and again in 1986 were amongst the best footballing sides I ever saw, to suggest they couldn't live with United of the 90's is wrong. That still doesn't alter the FACT that Jones would have absolutely destroyed Calslappy around 1998-2003, had Calslappy actually had a set of balls. He didn't, and now he's taking on probably the biggest fight of his career at least 5 years after it should have happened - and just wait for it, the Calslappy fans will be all over it if he wins.

Don't even start me on Frank Warren. Just don't

I remember when Warren first started to promote Bruno back in the day, Bruno appeared on the BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards and Des Lynam made a crack to him about something or other, taking the **** and Bruno said 'don't get fresh now or I'll make you my next opponent' and Lynam to his eternal credit replied 'well now you've signed with Frank Warren I probably will be'

Lynam had covered boxing since Ali was champ - he knew what he was talking about.

 

Calzaghe would always be a dangerous opponent for Jones. Joe may not be as fast as Roy, but he is plenty quick and when he was young, he was more of a puncher. The main thing is Joe is tough, and he would rough Roy up a bit. Joe may not win, but he would not just roll over and die for a prime Roy.

 

End thread?

 

Agreed. I'm gonna get a lot of **** but I think Jones is slightly overrated.