They say the knockout is caused by the punch that hits the chin/head and because of that the head wips and the Brain hits against the inside of the skull after a punch this whiplash effect causes the knock-out/knockdown depending on the power and punch resistance But what actually determines punch resistance? 1 more CSF/brain flood they say because more brain flood called CSF but this is false doctors confirmed that even if a boxer has more CSF it would be at best slightly more not making much of a difference in protecting against the forces of a punch only if a boxer cuts a lot of weight and gets dehydrated he will loss severely CSF so this is only true in these cases but for boxers who aren’t cutting that much or heavyweights it isn’t a factor 2 skull size/density They say skull size density determines punch resistance this sounds logical but yet there are boxers with big head that still have bad punch resistance en boxers with smaller heads with great punch resistance so we can’t really say this is the correct one 3 neck strength they say neck strength determines punch resistance sounds logical because the less the head wips the less the brain shakes so less chances of a ko or knockdown But there are boxers with big necks that don’t have good punch resistance en boxers with thinner necks who have good punch resistance so there is flaws in this theory as well with most knockouts the head violently rotates but how do you explain the knockouts were the head barely moves and the boxer goes ko/down Meanwhile there are boxers that get their head violently rotated without going down examples This content is protected at 24.04 Classic example Julian Jackson punching his oponnent and his head violently rotates after the punch and goes out cold but the you have also this This content is protected At 0:50 Margarito gets multiple hard shots which rotates his head violently especially the one at 0:53 yet he keeps standing not even severely hurt and then you have this This content is protected at 9:12 foreman gives his opponent a left hook he braces his head doesn’t rotate much after the punch despite that he goes down and is badly hurt and doesn’t get up another example This content is protected At 16:04 wilder hits his opponent with a 1-2 the head doesn’t rotate or moves much still he goes down And another a weird one This content is protected At 2:17 okolie hits his opponent with a right hand on the forehead his head barely moves despite that he is badly hurt and goes down if the knockout really happens because of the Brain shaking why are some still standing after a violent head snapping shot and some go down despite their head barely moving ? I got a theory about it if you look at al the knockouts/knockdowns (except for the Julian Jackson ko because you can’t see it from That angle) Their neck/spine bulges after impact like their heads move into their spines almost Could it be possible that their spines gets destabilizes which destabilizes their brain which causes the knockout/knockdown ? Could it be that the amount of destabilization of the spine and in which velocity the spine gets destabilized that determines if the boxer is hurt/knockdown/knocked out ? If you look at Margarito taking the shots you don’t see the spine move/woble and he keeps standing If this theory is true then the Position of the head/neck is what determines how the force is absorbed and determines if boxers can take a punch or not This would explain boxers despite having a big head or big neck having bad punch resistance Because You could have all The neck strength in the world but if your head/neck positioning isn’t good your spine gets the force and gets destabilized and you go down or out i don’t say this theory is 100% true I just heard it somewhere and want to known your opinions What’s your thoughs about this theory ?
The points that you raised on the factors that influence resistance to being knocked out are certainly true. But genetics are just as important, as is muscle memory in terms of building a tolerance to taking shots. I think the determination of the fighter plays a role too, the fight or flight reaction is ingrained into every aspect of the fighter. But the proper iron jaws are just a gift from nature. In this case I’m talking about a fighter eating a short flush, taking the full weight and impact of the shot. When I was younger my dad used to get samples from martial arts and combat companies to test the effectiveness, and there were all different types of head guards, some padded ones and some with a Perspex face guard and neoprene inserts that would fit tight to the contours of your face, there was one that was from mizuno that was the Perspex type. Me and my mates would have parties at my house when my parents were away and we would get the head guards out and punch each other full force in the face while standing with hands behind our backs, no bracing for the shot and you would get the impact of the punch but without the contact of the fist, you could take the shot and stay up every time. It was dangerous but we were young and dumb and drunk mostly, so I think it was obvious that taking away the contact from the first it increased the surface area of the impact which would cause the power to be spread out rather than concentrated into a small area. The ability to take a shot and not get knocked out is a skill that can be learned to a certain extent by staying light on your feet, being constantly moving, turning away from the direction of impact, moving out of range as the punch comes in. It is not an exact science and there are many variables involved, but I have a decent chin and have never been knocked out, I’ve had a good amount of fights and been hit with some heavy shots and even with a bat once. But I don’t have a big skull, a strong neck and I doubt I have a good amount of that cfs stuff because I get Tinnitus and I almost pass out from injections. Great question though
What's punch resistance? I'd say it's physical, cardio, behavioural and mental. Behavioural because you want a well balanced stance, and you want some of your feet planted + your legs to feel solid (even though you're reactive and on the balls of your feet). You also want your chin tucked quite snug into lead shoulder. I mean WTH was Herol Graham doing putting his chin in the air that high?! Also, HG's stance always seems backfoot heavy, he's obviously relying on his reflexes to get out of range and lean back from the waist but that means he's kinda got one foot out of the grave already (granted, he does go front foot heavier when going aggressive) - I guess my point being is his stance isn't well balanced from relying on this lean back style. Physical because you still want strong legs, hips/waist, core, back and neck. I personally feel that punch resistance has a lot to do with the strength of your legs and neck the most. I'd add dehydration & fasting to this category and I think once a fighter's natural BMI/fat % has moved up, it's just a net negative. Cardio because you don't want to be caught slipping when you're tired - being sloppy, e.g., dropping lead hand, untucking chin, etc. Mental because any doubt of your own abilities or weaknesses will poke out. Also, once you've been knocked out or down, your confidence is breached with doubt, unless you're a friggin A-100 macho. Punch resistance means that if any of the above aren't in tiptop shape, your resistance is gone or at least you're on a downward spiral. Also, I don't think you can necessarily see what happens to the brain when a punch connects on the button from the outside so judging it based off how much the head rotates isn't the most methodical.
Having just rewatched the Wilder-Stivene clip above, I was reminded of just how atrocious the lack of skill was in that fight. Wilder fought like it was his first time in a professional ring. Hands at waist, poor footwork, no defense, just winging shots from the rafters with no set up whatsoever. Luckily for Wilder, Stiverne showed up looking like a beached whale. He didn't even pretend he was in there to win. Not sure he threw a meaningful punch the entire round.
I'm not sure movement of the spine would affect the brain as such. The head spin is the most prevelent thing that causes knockouts, alongside not seeing the punch. If a fighter anticipates impact: neck muscles tense head movement is reduced rotational acceleration drops If the punch is unseen: maximal head snap instant shutdown When talking about the straight shot or shots without rotation, a different mechanism occurs to cause the KO: A straight punch causes rapid forward–backward acceleration of the skull. What matters is how fast the head stops, not just how hard it’s pushed. Inside the skull: The brain lags behind the skull due to inertia It impacts the inner skull surface (especially frontal/occipital regions) Pressure waves propagate through deep brain structures Even without rotation, sudden deceleration can transiently disrupt brainstem–thalamic signalling. This is why: a piston-like jab can drop someone fighters get KO’d while braced and looking straight at the punch
Graham didn’t see the punch coming at all, that’s a huge factor. Conditioning I would say is the main factor along with size of/strength of scull
Yes there are some aspects unknown about how it exactly works especially when it comes about genetics but you say that a tolerance at taking shots is also important how does that work ? the common knowledge is the more punches you take the more damaged your brain is which mean your tolerance for taking punches gets lower so how does that work ?
yes this sound logical strengthening your body but there are a lot of strong boxers muscle wise who don’t have good punch resistance despite their strong bodies so i think posture/stance has a bigger factor in it then actually strength itself
yes in theory that should be right but if it really is the brain shaking/twisting Why are there fighters like Margarito who’s head violently rotates after each shot multiple Times in a row And nothing happens while there are boxers taking shots where there is almost no head shake or twist but despite that going out It doesn’t maken sense the boxer who gets his head violently shaken should go out then while the other who’s head doesn’t shake should stay on his feet yet it’s something’s the opossite I don’t understand this
Some good articles on the subject: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7649325/ https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/13...ing-a-knockout-some-aspects-remain-a-mystery/ There is still debate as to the exact molecular mechanisms for a "Knockout", but in terms of the biomechanics involved it can be viewed to be due to: the accelerative/decelerative forces imparted on the brain as it moves throughout the skull; impact damage of the brain striking the cranium; and rotational forces on the brain that can send shockwaves through it. These forces can all impart transient damage/changes on a molecular level to the brain that lead to temporary lost or impaired consciousness.
Remember a lot of damage can be taken in sparring rather than in fights. This happened to Riddick Bowe.