Yes venom is very different than taking an impact to the head, clearly. I would say that the majority of fighters who take punishment in the gym are not fighters who have a chance at a proper career, they get fed to the talent, their career is just paid to spar. I worked with a lad who loved boxing and wouldn’t say no in the gym and he would get overmatched in weight, he would come in to work with his face smashed up all the time. It was disgusting to see and over the course of a couple of years you could see him being punch drunk, this lad wasn’t a talent he had no chance but he wasn’t looked after and he wasn’t looking out for himself. The talent gets looked after, they take their licks in the ring not in the gym.
Huh? I've literally never been dropped in my life, even after being blindsided and jumped by a gang. They had to wrestle me to the ground And don't you dare accuse me of being a liar, especially when I'm listening to Fleetwood Mac
You're British. It's different when you're British. I've been telling all and sundry for years that we're the fiercest warriors on the planet and that so many of our boys are shot by the time they reach the world level or even lower due to fighting and sparring on the notorious British circuit. Just take a look at British domestic dust ups they're very often FOTY candidates and as I keep saying they're the envy of the world. We see those on a weekly basis on British shores Look no further than Dalton Smith tonight. That was a FOTY contender and a war for the ages and Dalton abandoned his slickness and beat Matias at his own game. Matias fights like a Brit and it takes a lot out of you. You were unlucky because you had to come up on the toughest circuit in the world.
What’s your thoughts on posture and positioning when it comes to punch resistance ? Is it a big factor or do you think the genetic aspect matters more ? I start to believe posture and positioning is more important than we might think Look at golovkin for example very sturdy in his posture and stance and has one of the best chins of all time defense was underrated too
I would say that it is a completely different thing, and that would come under punch avoidance, technically speaking you are resisting the punch or strategically softening the impact and the ability to make a connection that could knock you out. Previously I was talking about the ability to take a punch and not get knocked out, so if I didn’t explain it correctly I meant or at least I assumed it as ment, as the ability to take the shot (and not get knocked out). In this context it seems right to say that the shot was taken flush, and that removes some of the variables such as riding the shot, turning away. I probably wasn’t clear enough when I was talking about punch tolerance, but that was in the subconscious sense. As a chef by profession such a thing exists as ‘chef hands’ I can literally take something out of the oven with my bare hands without getting burned providing I don’t hold on it for too long, it’s about 2-3 seconds generally, but if I take a week off work when I come back I get burned regularly because the tolerance is low. So the skin on my hands is literally conditioned to be less sensitive to heat than the average person. This is subconscious conditioning. So I guess what I’m saying here is that posture and positioning are not the same thing, and even with all the best training in this aspect when you take that flush shot, your position is kind of irrelevant to your ability to take a shot and not get knocked out, a flush shot is a flush shot and that puts you back to the genetic and physical advantage. So it absolutely does make a massive difference in the likelihood that you will get knocked out but it has very little or almost nothing to do with your ability to take a shot (flush) and not be knocked out. Does that make sense? I’m not saying it’s right but it’s how I see it.
yes I was taking about taking the punch too when mentioning golovkin but i also mentioned his defense i went of topic This thread is started because we talking about how the knockout happens Common belief is that the brain moves en that causes the ko only there are knockouts were the head doesn’t move much( so the brain also doesn’t move much) and there are examples of boxers getting their head violently spun ( so the brain moves a lot) but yet keep standing But what all the knockouts/knockdowns have in common which I posted is all their spines bulges after impact so my question to all on this forum is what if the bulging of the spine is the spine destabilizing which destabilizes the brain and that causes the knockout/knockdown if that is true that explains will explain the knockouts/knockdowns were they don’t get their head violently spun around Also it will explain why Margarito still keeps standing despite getting his head spun after impact because his neck/spine didn’t bulge like the other examples What’s your opinion about this?
This content is protected @Purplemagic this vid here gives solid support for your theory. Look at the brutal snap back of the skinny guy’s skull but he eats the shot like prime Golovkin.
Very sad. Bad gym. I've seen this first hand and been party to it before (I was the one getting smashed up 3-4 days a week). You get no dedicated time with the coach, you definitely become more skilled but it's rarely enough to catch-up with the coaches favourites, also it's outright usury. Either you learn how to get better and focus on winning sparring sessions with the special boys, and/or you speak up for yourself when you get tired of being a human punchbag and demand dedicated time, or you just walk away and find another gym. I'd go for the latter. Not a good showing for the coaches being so uncompassionate.
punching power is already figured out it’s combination of explosive power and technique Everyone can improve their power if they get the technique down properly and train to be more explosive some have more potential than others but everyone can become decent puncher if they get the technique right and built explosive capacity Punch resistance is far more a mystery of how it exactly works
What about a temple shot knockdown. You could get pounded in the head by a light puncher a bunch of times in a row. And then suddenly a shot to the temple short circuits the balance and senses in a g , he then falls down. Wouldn't that be neurological? Meaning some stuff along the lines of "the human body has x amounts of pressure points, each point is fatal". That would mean: we should have another discussion about BODY shots. Could it be based on who has the better set of ab muscles? Or situationally maybe in the LIVER would be the answer perhaps... Look at Donny Lalonde. It was a shot that almost ruined his career: sugar Ray Leonard hit him in the neck, aka the Adams apple. No spine or cuncossion involved, simply another one of the body's pressure points. Wasn't there a hip hop group named Wu Tang clan who brag about entering the 36 chambers? Meaning the deadly 36 fatal pressure points striking points. But yes I do agree about spine shots taking the Moxy and consciousness out of a fighter too. And I do believe brain fluid helps too meaning dangerous little weight fighters, less dangerous heavyweight fighters.
And what explains explosive power? Is explosive speed? Why is Usyk not a big hitter? And what’s “power”? yes, a good trainer can improve technique and power, but that’s on the edges.
a punch is a throwing movement to get more power in a throw you need to train explosively Also a proper punch is thrown with a stretch in the midsection turning the body first then throwing which improves the velocity at impact(good example Julius Jackson) Also stability at impact is important (good example foreman) The reason usyk doesn’t hit that hard is because he turns his punch and body at the same time or his arm first which makes it more of a pushing punch The only punch he really throws with velocityand turns his body first is his long left hook/cross and for that reason it’s his only punch which generates serious power that punch ko’d bellew out cold ko’d Daniel Dubois and made Tyson furys legs go jelly