there are people saying Usyk is the greatest technical fighter currently

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  1. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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  2. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    I want to see Crawford fight an opponent who is prime, top rated and substantially bigger and stronger than he is, in the other guy’s backyard. He hasn’t done it once. At JWW, he fought all smaller less skilled guys who he outweighed substantially because he was a weight bully. At welter he’s managed to avoid the best guys. Usyk looked tiny next to Joshua last night and outboxed him in his backyard to take his belts. I love Crawford but need to see him fight someone who is not smaller, faded our unskilled. He would need to beat a top middleweight to equal what Usyk did last night.
     
  3. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    You are an idiot. It’s easy to look good against naturally smaller guys as Crawford has done. Every guy you mentioned is smaller than Crawford. He’s managed to avoid all top welterweight fighters during his run at the weight. Even though he’s a pretty big guy and hydrates to middleweight. If Loma stayed at 126, he would look like an ATG and knock out or outbox anyone at the weight. Boxing needs more guys with this attitude and fewer hype jobs feasting on smaller or outmatched faded opponents.
     
  4. BigBone

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    There's the best name on sLomo's resume, so who's the idiot now?
     
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Yes, but that could change in the next couple of years, fighters are getting better all the time, they just have a long way to catch up with the Ukranians.
     
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  6. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    I promised myself I wouldn’t argue with tards today. Loma’s reputation wasn’t built on that fight. He didn’t even want it. The Rigo fans were chirping about how Rigo was going to break his jaw and beat him up. That didn’t work out too well for them. Loma has moved up several divisions since the fight and has always fought the best at every weight he has fought. I wish more fighters would do the same because it’s very rare in boxing these days.
     
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  7. BigBone

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    Thx for chiming in but you missed that the argument that was about skills not resume before other fella ran out of points and turned it into the latter, so I pointed out the fallacy in his statements. Both Loma and Bud moved several divisions (but only one collected all marbles at one) and both faced undersized and oversized opponents. Loma's resume has the more substance but that also includes HELLO two losses and sure as hell Bud or Usyk never crapped their pants facing a 12-loss over the hill swarmer on a 10 year winning streak incl. 7 professional (WSB counted), nor lost the boxing contest to a big, fast noob.

    Both Loma and Usyk are flashy but only one handled these complications without skills running short, and I'll argue that Breidis is a more complex fighter, stylistically speaking, than Salido or anyone Loma faced, which was usually fighters easily beaten at distance. Until Fimo outboxed him, not even outwrestled or punched him. The equivalent would be Breidis pulling a 116-112 vs. Usyk and AJ pulling a Ruiz II on it. Only past the style, Usyk has far more substance, witnessed in their professional record. Bud is more skilled than either IMO, he just don't do the Disney CGI that catches weekend fight fans attention.
     
  8. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who has Bud faced that's oversized?
     
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  9. Salty Dog

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    Completely agree that Crawford needs to ****ing fight some top opposition already. Holy ****! But am not sure this HW division is any better than 140 was when Crawford was campaigning there.

    That said, Usyk looked really good beating an AJ that also looked really good and his game is up there.
     
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    Bud has faced bigger opponents? I guess you mean Jeff Horn, a guy who can’t fight and was never at the top of the division. You are a typical Loma hater. It’s hard to understand how someone can slag a guy who will fight anyone, always pushes firm the toughest opponents and who is significantly smaller than all of his opponents. Crawford is a very skilled fighter but he’s busy protesting the 0 on his record and has managed to avoid all of the top opposition at Welter. He unified a weak 140 but has been disappointing for a long time in his ability to challenge top opponents. He’s fighting Porter next, a good opponent, his best. To put it into perspective, if Loma was in Crawford’s shoes he would have called out Spence immediately. He would have fought Porter right away and not second tier guys at the weight for years. Loma never cared about the BS undefeated record since he became a pro. He wanted to fight for a belt in his first fight and fought for one in his second. Taking these chances and fighting tough opponents as often as possible hasn’t won over the likes of you but anyone who loves boxing should appreciate a guy who isn’t afraid to take on the best guys at his weight or even above his weight in Lomas case. Usyk is doing the same at HW, fighting much bigger guys. Crawford, meanwhile, is fighting Spence leftovers. He’s avoided top competition for so long, he doesn’t deserve to be compared to guys like Loma or Usyk.
     
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    Lomachenko says hi.
     
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  12. BigBone

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    And BigBone says hi to him. Could you ask him for his top 5 favorite excuses upon losses he didn't really suffer?
     
  13. Furey

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    Usyk is beating the very best fighters in the world.

    Crawford has no elite level victories.

    Loma as brilliant as he is, again hasn't fought the level of opponent Usyk has and lost his biggest fight to date.