There has never been a better time for Parker to upset Wilder

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  1. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Neither Parker nor Wilder have any claims for being prime but neither does Joshua, for that matter.
     
  2. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Parker may be based on his mentality. I don't think any version could keep Joyce off him. The Parker of yesteryear was getting controversial decisions over Ruiz and Chisora, Parker in the Chisora rematch and on has been more tenacious.

    Wilder and Joshua are probably more skilled then ever but I think Wilder is significantly more fragile physically and Joshua is badly mentally shopworn.
     
  3. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lee and Fury can give Parker all the intel and info they want,what it will come down to is how Parker reacts when Wilder starts unloading his bombs . Curious as to Parker’s height as Wilder is towering over him in that clip posted by Dubblechin.
     
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  4. snake33

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    I'd like Parker to win but it ain't bloody likely.
    Wilder will catch him probably.
     
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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nonsense. Who was going to beat him at cruiserweight back in 2013/2014/2015? Grigory Drozd? Victor Emilio Ramirez? Krzysztof Wlodarczyk? Who'd beat him there now? Chris Billam-Smith? Freaking Badou Jack won a title down there.

    Wilder boxed in the 201-pound heavyweight division with Beterbiev. Chakhkiev, Usyk and Hunter.

    Usyk and Hunter turned pro at heavyweight and decided to dry out and move down and try for belts there first. Beterebiev dried out all the way down to Light Heavyweight. Chakhkiev never even tried to fight at heavyweight. Hell, Wilder had a fever before the first Fury fight and lost weight after the weigh-in. He came in the ring at 208.

    Wilder could win a cruiserweight title and a bridgerweight title tomorrow and be a three-division champ but he doesn't give a crap about those belts and never has.

    Wilder's one of the hardest punchers ever in the heavyweight division. But a lot of people hit hard. He still had to take the shots of heavyweights who outweighed him in every fight for 12 years and counting. That's why cruiserweights remain cruiserweights. They don't want to give up the added weight.

    Like I said, Opetaia may enter the ring that night of the 23rd heavier than Wilder. All those cruiserweights weigh 210+ when the bell rings. But they don't all have the stones to fight a bunch of heavyweights who outweigh them by 20, 40, 50 pounds every time out.

    Wilder always has.
     
  6. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Parker ain’t Fury. He doesn’t have his size, resilience or heart.

    Wilder KO by 3.
     
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  7. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Grigory Drozd?"

    I'd take Drozd and co. in a heartbeat over Morales, Kelvin Price, Gavern: the guys Wilder was fighting for his first 6+ years and 32 fights as a pro were not that good. I don't think it took that much courage to fight those heavies, no matter how much Nicols may have outweighed him. And Hunter, as overrated as he's been, would have likely beaten all of Wilder's pre-Ortiz opponents. Briedis may have beaten Ortiz. Gassiev was more competitive with Wallin than Breazeale was, for what that's worth.

    In this hypothetical Wilder would also have to cut below 200 lbs, which may compromise his punch resistance. We could have seen a repeat of the Romanov fight for all we know.

    "That's why cruiserweights remain cruiserweights. They don't want to give up the added weight."

    Sure. But it's not to say they cannot have success at heavyweight. You dogmatically adhered to this theory to the point where you predicted a 1st/2nd round Joshua KO against Usyk, despite Usyk dominating Hunter at cruiser (who stopped Bakole, drew with Povetkin) and beating Chisora by a far clearer margin than Parker did, who went 12 with Joshua no problem and beat Joshua's first conqueror Andy Ruiz. And Joshua not stopping anyone early since Molina back in 2016.

    I don't know why Usyk was avoiding the heavyweight division for so long, it's an enigma to me. I have a bunch of theories but none of them are entirely convincing. He was clearly good enough to compete all along.

    I don't know how this all relates to Parker though.
     
  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Parker is 6'3 to Wilder's 6'6.5. The height gap is greater than the normally listed figures, 3.5-4 inches.
     
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  9. MagicE

    MagicE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I see what you mean with the activity but I don’t think any of those 3 recent fights help him here, unless Wilder is shot to bits
     
  10. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "unless Wilder is shot to bits"

    Parker's got to hope that Wilder's punch resistance and reflexes have faded due to age, wear and inactivity. Parker may be able to land more and do more damage with what he does land, compared to what he could in the past. Parker must also see Wilder as fallible given his two KO losses and the other stuff, whereas given Parker's lack of natural self-belief I think he'd be even more wary of an undefeated Wilder.
     
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  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mike Hunter? Gerald Washington knocked out Jerry Forrest in two rounds. Mike Hunter fought Jerry Forrest twice. Couldn't stop him either time. Couldn't even beat him the second time. (Escaped with a robbery draw.)

    Mike Hunter has been a pro going on 13 years and never won anything. His last fight was against an opponent who was a former lightweight (not light heavyweight, a former lightweight) with 14 wins and 24 losses.

    And you're bashing Wilder's opponents, for God's sake?

    Seriously, get your head out of your ass.

    You bash Wilder constantly ... but won't pick Parker to beat him.
     
  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Resume" is not a legitimate argument for Parker; if that's what Parker's chances were based on then he'd have zero chance. Parker is not going to beat Wilder on points given that Fury and Ortiz did not in five fights, his only chance is a KO. If Parker sticks to his "resume" aka his past performances then he will fail to get the KO (as he's failed vs his 11 best opponents, including Cojanu and Fa) and lose.
     
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  13. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hunter was a significantly higher calibre fighter than Washington, at cruiser or heavy. Hunter has better top results, far fewer losses, less bad losses etc.

    I don't think it takes that much bravery as a high calibre natural 215 lbs figher to fight Morales, Harrison and Gavern types, or even Wilder's pre-Ortiz title opponents. I don't think they would beat the top cruisers. Arreola for instance lost to former LHW/cruiser Adamek. Molina and Szpilka were former cruisers. Mansour, who drew with Washington, was a blown-up cruiser who lost to Cunningham.

    I don't bash Wilder much at all, let alone "constantly". The point of my OP isn't that Parker will beat Wilder, it's that he has a better chance than he used to (as in 15% is much better than 7.5%).
     
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  14. oldcanvasback

    oldcanvasback Active Member Full Member

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    I think Parker's biggest problem has always been and will always be his lack of foot speed.
    I also think the way he slips leaves him out of position to counter, which is usually a good tactic against taller or faster opponents.
     
  15. TEAM_LOMA

    TEAM_LOMA This is Boxing Full Member

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    Anything can happen at HW

    With that being said, Parker isnt beating Wilder