There has never been a better time for Parker to upset Wilder

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  1. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Scuba diving Scott? You must be joking if you include that as a big win, the guy was useless and got sparked by Chisora and Wilder while going the full 12 with Ortiz or did you conveniently forget about this?
     
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  2. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because Parker was maneuvered correctly and had the right backers behind him, just as Charles Martin and Glazkov did. To take a more extreme example than Ortiz being better than Parker, Povetkin was better than Martin, yet Povetkin never won a portion of the championship and Martin did.
     
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  3. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Parker was maneuvered correctly? What are you even talking about. Ruiz was the one with the big promoter backing him to win, not Parker. Arum wanted the first Mexican heavyweight to cash in on the Mexican audience and Ruiz had that potential to do it. Parker upset the gravy train that night. And when Parker former opponent knocked out the heavyweight kingpin how can you argue that Parker was maneuvered in any way?. Really dumb post.
     
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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jesus. How much do you think Lawrence Okolie weighs right now? 260?

    Another 'coward' who saw the lay of the land at heavyweight and decided it would be easier to win a belt at cruiserweight. Okolie was 210 for a fight two months after turning pro nearly seven years ago.

    Wilder may only weigh 210 for Parker.

    Now that Okolie's lost his belt, he's thicker than Parker - who routinely comes in at 250.

    Once they moved the cruiserweight limit from 190 to 200, it opened the door to a bunch of cowards (who could never make 190) to avoid bigger men (or, in Okolie's case, guys his own size) and win a belt at cruiser.

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  5. snafu

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    Parker isn't winning . Underestimating wilder just because fury did a job on him. Wilder via sudden violent KO.
     
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  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Parker was maneuvered correctly because he fought for a vacant title in his backyard against a wide (in both senses of the word) underdog. Ruiz was 3/1 to win the fight and took Parker 50-50: if Ruiz had A-side advantage as you're implying then he would have got the nod. Ruiz's best win at that point was a competitive 10 round decision over Liakhovich, who Wilder had previously left convulsing on the floor in 100 seconds. Parker's toughest opponent by far prior to Ruiz was 4/1 underdog Takam; a fighter who blatantly ducked Ortiz and has no KO's or KD's against his 11 best opponents. Parker had a very soft route to that title fight and a very beatable short plodding relatively light punching opponent for the vacant belt. Parker and Ruiz were both managed well to get to that point.

    Yes Ruiz destroyed Joshua but that doesn't make him an incredible fighter. No one saw that coming and the main takeaway was that Joshua was significantly overhyped.
     
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  7. Bubba

    Bubba I have no concern whatsoever toward TKO boxing Full Member

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    How much does Wilder have left?

    He is older and inactive since Fury fight.
     
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  8. Arch Stanton

    Arch Stanton When you have to shoot, shoot!, don't talk...... Full Member

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    Well there's zero pre fight animosity so far.

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  9. GBoxingFeed

    GBoxingFeed Active Member Full Member

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    Great to see. Two great sportsmen in this clip, nothing not to like.
     
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  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Ok ok, I see what's happening here.
     
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  11. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I totally disagree. Wilder's biggest problem was that he didn't know how to box. This is a problem that is fixed with experience, and now he's more experienced than ever before. Imho Parker had never had less chances to win than now.
     
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  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Olympic bronze medallist Wilder knew how to box when he shut out Stiverne to win the WBC belt in 2015.

    He knew how to box when he did a better job schooling Arreola than Vitali in 2016.

    He knew how to box in 2018 when he was far more competitive with Fury than Parker-conqueror Whyte was in 2022.

    Rahman started boxing later than Wilder, age 20, with 8 years boxing experience. But that didn't prevent the 25/1 underdog from starching Lewis with one punch. If Wilder's chin has badly deteriorated with age (38) and wear (two massive beatings from Fury in his last three) as it may well have done, Parker's got a chance of cracking Wilder's chin/temple/ear early. A guy who couldn't outbox Whyte was never going to beat Wilder over 12 rounds. His only realistic chance is a KO, early-mid and that's far more realistic now than it was in 2018, especially given 2018 pre-Lee Parker's pointfighting and survival mode mentality.
     
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  13. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've taken my own advice and put £10 down on Parker to win inside 6 rounds at 25/1, with zero confidence.
     
    Redbeard7, Dec 20, 2023
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  14. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    Have confidence

    Parker has a great chance here.

    No guarantees, of course!!
     
    Kiwi_in_America, Dec 20, 2023
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  15. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    hahahaha what happened to all your triangle theories? Parker just beat Wilder 12-0, what happened to all your predictions? Parker beat Wilder easier than Fury did.
     
    KINGWILDER, Dec 23, 2023
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