There is a p4p top-tier boxer, in his prime, that nobody brings up anymore.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Nov 25, 2015.


  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    He has come out and talked about not enjoying boxing at all anymore and he's even declared himself retired. I've seen his twitter feed on the sidebar of ESPN's website (since their awful overhaul) and he specifically says things like "Enjoying retirement!" as a caption to a random photo of him chilling... Nobody talks about recently retired fighters who weren't Hall of Fame-caliber, it seems. Folks live in the moment, which is fine and acceptable. We missed out on some potentially entertaining and highly meaningful bouts, however.
     
  2. TinFoilHat

    TinFoilHat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No we shouldn't be. That would only happen if the average posters IQ here is above average. Based on the amount of people who think that Al Haymon solely does boxing promotion as a form of charity to fans and fighters, I would say the average IQ here is about ~85.

    Most boxing fans have no business sense... NONE. Until they get some promoters will continue to pull the wool over their eyes.
     
  3. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Highly skilled Mexican-American fighter, but when he got his nose broken vs Salido and they went to the cards, to me it left a bad impression. He dominated Salido, and just when Salido gets the upperhand, they went to the cards. Great technical fighter, just his heart is what I question. Maybe he can learn something from Francisco Vargas.
     
  4. Metallix

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    Garcia thought he could outsmart a lawyer...not gonna happen. He signed the contract and he's trying to use some law that doesn't apply to him to get out of his contract.

    A complete waste of talent.
     
  5. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    Does he really deserve top tier status though? We haven't seen him beat anyone really great to prove he belongs in a p4p list. Has he even done as much as Leo Santa Cruz, Adrien Broner, or Danny Garcia who sit outside most people's top ten?
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Well he was picking up steam where he left off, racking up five straight world class wins in fourteen months (Barros, Salido, Lopez, Martinez, Burgos) so yeah, he was on pace to have by now done considerably more than any of those guys provided he didn't take a sharp and prolonged downturn in his LOC.

    Crazy that he went from that active (5 fights in 14mo) to being this inactive (not appearing for 22mo, and presumably much longer as there's nothing on the horizon). :-(
     
  7. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Theres a recent youtube vid of him saying that Top Rank havent even spoken to him in the past year.

    He says hes willing to fight the last fight on his contract, but then wants to be done.
    TR want him to sign an extension, or hes not getting him another fight.

    Sounds like hes finally just accepted that, thats what he has to do.

    Hopefully he'll be back soon. Hes a top fighter wasting away on the sidelines
     
  8. Metallix

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    He has one fight left on the 1st contract. But he signed a 2nd contract which extends his stay with TR. He basically want out of his 2nd contract and TR is refusing to let him go.

    It's really not as simple as Garcia wants the fans to believe. He wants to fight, but he doesn't want to fight if the fight takes place outside of California. TR want so make a fight for him, but TR doesn't want to make the fight to be in California. He's trying to outsmart a lawyer...which is the same as wasting time.
     
  9. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    He doesn't care....why should I?
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Fine but then don't mention what a bummer, say, Pirog being sidelined is since we can't see him establish his place @ MW. Sure, he was sidelined through external factors beyond his control as opposed to GarcĂ­a, but the end result is the same: us left wondering.
     
  11. Cafe

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    Garcia is far better than Pirog.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

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    He certainly got more of a chance to prove himself.

    I take it you're not of a mind like some that Pirog would have been the one guy with a chance to beat GGG?
     
  13. Cafe

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    I used to think that Pirog beats GGG (mainly because of the Ouma performance) but reflecting back on it, no, GGG is too good. I think Pirog lacks the speed to just outbox GGG (which he would need to do and that would be a mightily hard task in and of itself as GGG has a better jab IMO).
     
  14. IntentionalButt

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    I mean, we only really saw him take on a few world-class fighters, but we can extrapolate from those performances a rough idea how good he was.

    He didn't stop him like Golovkin did but he did thoroughly school Ishida, as pure a shutout as you'll see.

    Maciel is a very good fighter and was peak & prime when they fought, and though he was removed a division from where he belonged (undeniably more comfortable & effective @ 154 than 160lbs) the fact that Pirog fought him through his already debilitating back injury more than counterbalances this fact. Plus, while he lacked the usual strength advantage he enjoys at light middle, this was among the best tactical performances of Maciel's career - and Pirog still defeated him with relative ease.

    ...and of course we have Jacobs getting KTFO. Again, there are nitpicks and potential asterisks to be placed on this (Jacobs having battled off cancer and mourning the recent death of his grandmother, along with some revisionist history I've seen with some claiming he was getting the best of the action before the KO) but this result has really held up given that Jacobs has rebuilt himself and is poised to very likely become WBA middleweight champ.

    Beyond those, we have robust showings against many solid B grade Euro opponents. You have tough Serb journeyman Geard Ajetovic, who nearly always makes it a hard night for the best he faces even in losses, many of them by split or majority decision, and Pirog toyed with him effortlessly compared with the likes of Geale, Chudinov, Simon, Vlasov, De Carolis, Wilczewski, and Macklin (and there are some nice upsets on Ajetovic's record, like Chanet, Uzelkov, and Gerlecki). Pirog is the only man against whom Ajetovic didn't arguably take a round. Gennady Martirosyan is another reliable test, and while the result on paper was the same as HNN's, with both stopping Martirosyan in 10, Pirog again had an easier time with him.

    Even the shutout against Jantuah reflects well on him, as Ouma dropped a few rounds to Jantuah only a few years prior, as did Abraham. Jantuah also boasted impressive stoppages over Marco Antonio Rubio, once-beaten Delray Raines, rarely-stopped Marcos Primera (blitzed in two minutes) and Donny McCracy faster than Bute managed.
     
  15. IntentionalButt

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