There is a reason why some fighters do not fight hard punchers

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  1. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Things do not happen by chance. Careers are planned, and once a fighter reaches certain level his career is closely managed.

    If a fighter consistently does not fight hard punchers there is a reason for that. And 99% the reason is that his team does not trust his chin.

    Do you have examples of fighters who never fought hard punchers? (It doesnt matter if they finally were KTFO the first time he did it or if they happened to have the sturdiest chin ever, I would like to see examples of fighters consistently fighting people with no power at all).

    Spence, ofc, is the one I have in mind. And my theory, ofc, is that his chin sucks BIG TIME, and that that's the reason why he has never ever ever fought a hard puncher. I would like to see some examples of fighters who did that (fighting only featherfisted guys), my memory sucks.
     
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  2. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Munguia immediately popped into my mind, especially for a guy with 42 fights and a WBO title at one point.
     
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  3. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Danny Garcia?
     
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    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Where did you pluck that 99% figure from when you can only offer one example?
     
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  5. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    You can translate it as "probably always". It's a way of talking. I didnt think that it was necessary to explain this kind of expressions. I'll take that into account in the future.
     
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    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kell Brook wasn't exactly featherfisted.
    I wouldn't class Spence in with the punch avoiders. Kell Brook is a decent chin test. Who else was he supposed to face? I can't picture Thurman beating Spence, he tried to fight Pac, there just haven'tbeen a lot of great punchers at 147 lately. I suppose he could have fought an aging Matthysse, but that overlap window was very narrow.

    Prior to the car crash, I don't see an issue with Spence's matchmaking (by the depressing standards of the era). After that my problem is with the sanctioning bodies who allowed a guy who barely fought to hold three belts in a division with some exciting young talent.

    Certainly it should be impossible to be a unified champion fighting less than once a year.
     
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    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    'Probably always', when only one example is offered makes no more sense than '99%.'

    Please provide some examples of what you are gauging your conclusion on.
     
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  8. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Matthyse & Thurman were hard punchers. Spence as well. Danny has a good chin.
     
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    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Spence fought all top opposition available. Brook & Garcia are solid punchers. Many people that fought Garcia said he hits very hard (Thurman & Porter I believe). He's hardly avoiding big punches.
     
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    On the top of my head I'd say Bowe & V Klitsckho
     
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  11. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Lightweight Mikey you mean? or 50%KO dany? Non of them are proper punchers at WW

    Brook? the one who was damaged goods? I dont count him as a decent victory for crawford, I wont do it for spence either, sorry.

    That's all you got to say to defend that Spence fought something similar to a puncher? Lightweight and a damage goods?
     
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  12. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    That's what I was asking for. For more examples. And nevermind if finally they had a weak chin or not, I just wanted examples. You only had to read.

    I got one. Danny GarcĂ­a, as soon as he started fighting decent punchers he lost every fight.

    This thread talks about the obvious. You dont need a fight to know what your is chin made of. Sparring is more than enough to know that, and the teams make decissions based on that, avoiding hard punchers when they know that their pupils do not like to be punched.

    I could have opened another thread about fighters avoding slick fighters, based on the same principle. Logic and common sense. But I didnt.
     
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  13. Showstopper97

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    Danny not Mikey. Plus it's not Spence's fault Brook decided to go up in weight to challenge GGG. He was his mandatory before then.
     
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  14. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Danny is a normal puncher. Not a good puncher. He's just normal with his 50% ko ratio at WW.

    Mikey was a good puncher, but it's a pitty that he's a lightweight, right? Do you think it is by chance that the only hard puncher Spence has fought was a lightweight? (or totally damaged goods if you want to consider Brook a decent puncher, which he was imho before self destroying his career and becoming damaged goods)

    Crawford will be the hardest puncher that Spence has ever fought.

    Spence had problems taking 37% KO Uga's punches.
     
  15. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Eggington is alergic to punchers too.

    Btw, I never stop being surprissed by the ability of promoters to build records to feed and make up other records. Pigford is an outstanding job! They invested a lot of money on building that record. Eggington must have a very good godfather when he is fed with such a quality food.

    Only 6 figthers in pigford's resume have more victories than defeats. That's amazing. It's not cheap at all for the promoters to build that record.