There is absolutely no way that Joe Louis would beat Ali

Frazier had a bob and weave offense with a big hook, Louis had two fisted power but was slow compared to Ali. We are talking about the best of both guys. We can't say, Frazier did this, and if Louis did this, he beats ali...because we can say, well, Walcott did this, and Schmeling did this to Louis, then Ali can do that against Louis. I just think Ali's style would be too much for Louis. I also think Frazier, Foreman and Liston present problems for Louis also, and I doubt Louis comes out undefeated fighting those guys.

 

Oh yeah Since the outcome of the fight cant have a hypothesis due to the fact that it cant be falsified. However your theory that "Ali's style would be too much for Lewis" is quite scientific? :roll:

Ok please let me rephrase it your honor. I "think" that Louis' slick, hyper determined, body punching style would pose great problems for Ali whom I "think" had a style that often left him vulnerable to body punches

 

Prime Ali would wide UD Louis. He owuld outbox him for the majority of the fight, get caught now and again but Ali's chin will make the fight comfortable for him.

 

Ali beats him.

Speed is the factor here, Ali is too fast of hand and foot and would out box louis over 15, dropping him along the way.

H2H Id pick a few heavies to beat joe.

 

You didn't have to rephrase anything. I just wanted you to know that if you point out what Frazier did to Ali, I'm going to point out what Schmeling did to louis as Schmeling said Louis was a sucker for a right hand. It just doesn't sound fair. Your stand up comedy leaves much to be desired:fart ukke

 

This is a very good post. You know what kind of post I call this...this is what you call a:vonnecunt :ko :boxx :bowdown :bokc beatdown/bow down response to a post.

 

Louis was the man for 12 yrs with 25 straight defenses, Vitaly career highlights are getting his ass handed to him by a 38 yr old washed up Lewis, and wins over Williams and Sanders. As far as Louis in his later yrs, like any fighter once you age it's over, Tyson, Ali, Holy, RJJ, and Holmes were all great in thier day but once age caught them they could be beat. Vitaly has one of the weakest resumes ever, it's loaded with C class journeymen fighters so of course he isn't going to lose many rds.

 

Not only was Ali's "untechnicle" style vulnerable to body punches but also to jabs and quick right hands as seen in the Norton robberies, Jones robbery, Cooper robbery, and the Jimmy Young robbery. Louis had an excellant KO jab. Furthermore, Ali's excessive leaning back would have been a big mistake against the very quick right hand and feints that Louis was known for. Norton was not near as good as Louis but he was trained by Futch to fight like Louis .

"Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight champion of all time. Rocky Marciano is second only to Louis. Where do I rate Ali? Somewhere below me. I beat him, and if I could beat him, no doubt Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano could have beaten him." -- Joe Frazier

What does that have to do with your hypothesis? Oh yeah just revealing your huge bias for modern fighters?:-( Tyson's will and chin were marshmallows compared to Marciano's. But more to the point, Joe Louis said of Ali in his autobiography (Louis p 260), “Ali’s a great fighter, (but) he made too many mistakes, his hands are down a lot, and he takes too many punches to the body. I know what I’m talking about.”

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And Visa versa, Ali never fought anyone like Joe Louis and as Bernstien said last night "One can never appreciate a boxer's speed by looking at films". Ali had trouble with fast pressure fighters like Doug Jones, Norton, and Jimmy Young but Louis was faster than all of them. [url]http://coxscorner.tripod.com/alilouis.html[/url]

 

Joe Louis said so himself:

Ali "You saying I'm a bum Joe?" - Ali, respoding to Louis's bum of the month tour remark

Louis: "You would have been on the tour."

 

We are talking about the best Ali ok, not the Ali that lost. If I talked about the Louis that lost, that wouldn't be fair. Ali in his prime, and Louis in his prime. Ali trained his body to the point that you could have his body when you got him on the ropes so Louis's body punching would not affect Ali one bit. We are talking about the Ali who danced also. The Ali who had the piston jab, and precision punching...and the Ali who made Foreman and Liston look like babies in the ring when he fought them. Head to head Ali would dominate Louis imo.

 

It was a great return by Louis, but if Ali was on that tour, Louis would not have been champion after their fight.

 

So you agree that he really did loose in the Norton robberies, Jones robbery, Cooper robbery, and the Jimmy Young robbery:good

 

Yeah, but he won all of those fights lol. You are talking fiction. I'm sorry Max Schmeling gave Louis a 10 count in his prime.

 

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