There is no explanation for this statistic other than Bowe had a bad chin and Futch knew it

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  1. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bowe faced none, in an era as rich in Punchers as the 90s was... thats so unlikely it's as if he hit the lottery.
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    He didn't fight a single one of them.
    There is virtually no chance that was an accidental and not by design.
    Everyone I listed here fought atleast 2 of the other guys I listed!! Even Moorer and Stewart!!

    How do you explain that the 6'5 240lb HW hard punching SUPPOSEDLY IRON CHINNED champ fought worse opposition than Alex Stewart? Defended vs shot dokes and Ferguson? And even after he lost his title he didn't try to take on a dangerous contender! Larry DOnald??? buster Mathis??? Do you realize what kind of **** they would have given Tyson if he chose those opponents in his prime while there was the guys listed in green were available?

    Guys if Bowe had a good chin there is no reason why he wouldn't have taken the Lewis fight. Lewis was raw and unpolished while Bowe was at his peak, with a higher workrate, more agression and a supposedly good chin.
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    You might well be on to something here!
     
  3. Big Ukrainian

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    Bowe was about to fight Ray Mercer and Ray suddenly lost to Ferguson.

    Don't expect Bowe losing to Mercer though.

    I think Bowe's chin is good enough considering he was knocked down only 3 times in his career in 44 fights, and won the undisputed HW championship.

    He's certainly not a Michael Moorer or Floyd Patterson in the chin department, not even close.
     
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  4. ETM

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    Golota could hit. He had Michael Grant down a few times.
     
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  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holyfield couldn’t punch?

    Jorge Luis Gonzalez was 23-0 with 22 knockouts. Bruce Seldon was like 18-1 with 15 KOs and was considered to be something of a puncher at the time they fought. Pierre Coetzer was a decent puncher with a glorious mustache.
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Perhaps it was not so much that Futch was wary of Bowe's chin, and more that he knew that he was tailor made for a good counter puncher.
     
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  7. BCS8

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    This.

    He suckered Holy into going to war with him. But when Golota boxed him, he took Bowe apart like a home appliance. I think Bowe's chin was above average, but not great. Golota rung his bell ad lib. Let's give him some dues too, Bowe had a great heart that made up for any cracks in his chin. The OP does have a point though - Bowe was easy to land on and he probably was kept away from too many punchers.
     
  8. HerolGee

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    bowe had good chin.
     
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  9. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And Golota made Bowes chin look really bad too, despite Bowe showing all kinds of heart. I didn't mention that fight because people would claim Bowe was already shot( even though a prime Bowe was also wobbled by Biggs so I don't think anything changed)
     
  10. Contro

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    Holyfield, especially the lighter version took a million punches to take someone down. Look at the Stewart and dokes fights. Holyfield landed much more on them than he did on Bowe.
    Holyfield had excellent timing on his counters. which he didn't use on Bowe in the first fight because he tried to attack Bowe.

    Bulked up Holyfield from Bowe 2 onward was a solid puncher who planted his feet more instead of bouncing but not a "dangerous or KO puncher". And that Holyfield also hurt Bowe badly, embarrassingly so in the 3rd fight with a single left hook after the commentators were calling for the fight to be stopped because evander looked so tired, they thought he had a heart attack.


    Holyfield didn't drop and basically knock out(Bowe was out and stuck in a corner for almost the entire round) anyone else with a single shot(without attrition!!!) like that for his entire relevant career at HW except for Douglas who was fully aware but just quit.



    Seldon? Yeah athletic sure but not a big puncher and not a real fighter,I'ma fan of tyson but I wouldn't count him among the Punchers Tyson's either to be fair.
    Coetzer was gutsy fighter but no puncher. Come on.


    Look Bowes chin wasn't glass but considering there's he was in his opposition is suspected devoid of Punchers. Everyone ofhis contemporaries fought more Punchers.
    Even suspect-chinned Alex Stewart, bruce seldon and Michael Moorer fought more punchers.
    So did Bruno!!

    Let's not even start comparing Bowes resumee to tyson holyfield and Lewis when it comes to punchers !!
     
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  11. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Based.on.what.
    If Norton never fought foreman and shavers and we only had the Ali and Holmes fights to go on, people would claim his chin was iron!

    Bowe showed serious vulnerability vs average Punchers and didn't fight ANY of the other top 10 most dangerous Punchers active in his prime.
    His opposition was outrageous.
    A HW champ in his prime who has physical advantages over just about anyone in the division, a hard punch a great workrate and a supposedly good chin fighting buster Mathis in his prime?
    It's pretty obvious why.

    And the answer is not his defense because Foremans defense was never good and he didn't duck any punchers
     
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  12. HerolGee

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    golota hide holy amongst others hit hard. YOu may be expecting too much, he hit his prime for only a short while, outside that he wasnt fit to beat world level boxers. He was struggling with thuggish basic golota towards the end.

    picking buster is silly. Everyone fights a weakling now and again.
     
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  13. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Golota was formidable until he lost his mind. Im not convinced he would beat him easier at his best, afterall prime bowe struggled with a shot legless biggs.


    Let me rephrase. What evidence is there of bowe having a better chin than ken norton? Afterall Bowe never fought a foreman or shavers and his chin looked no better(imo worse) against holyfield than nprtons looked against ali or holmes. And thats despite bowe being much much bigger than holy and norton being the same size as holmes and ali.
     
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  14. HerolGee

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    very few of his colleagues actually fought foreman or shavers. i dont get it - Tyson didnt Lennox didnt.

    bowe was only at the top for a few years, its patently obvious his brain wasnt right 5 years into what should have been his prime.
     
  15. Saintpat

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    Ray Mercer should be embarrassed because Holyfield knocked him down with one punch?

    Notice you completely ignored Gonzalez, who at that point was certain considered a dangerous puncher. As was Bert Cooper (ask Moorer), who Bowe fought on the way up. Seldon had the record of a puncher, as, for that matter, did Herbie Hide. Does someone being athletic invalidate their knockout record? LOL.

    No one who is being steered away from punchers fights these guys.

    Of course gatekeepers like Alex Stewart fought a lot of top fighters (including top punchers) ... that’s what gatekeepers do.

    Your point is invalid.
     
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