There is no explanation for this statistic other than Bowe had a bad chin and Futch knew it

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  1. janitor

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    Usually because said big punchers didn't have the ranking to justify the fight!
     
  2. SuzieQ49

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    Louis, Walcott, Moore, Baker, Henry, Valdes, satterfield, Charles all hovered in the top 1-10 for that entire era

    No different!
     
  3. janitor

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    Hovering around 1-10 is not important.

    The champion's duty is to fight the #1, or as close tho that as can be negotiated!

    No champion should ever be criticized, for defending against somebody ranked in the top 3.
     
  4. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Foreman fought stewart, cooper,morrison ,cooney and moorer
     
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  5. SuzieQ49

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    So when were any of those men # 1 besides Lennox Lewis when Bowe was champion?

    When were any of those other men top 3 besides Lennox Lewis when Bowe was champion?
     
  6. SuzieQ49

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    Cooney was washed up. Morrison shut him out, and Stewart nearly beat him. Bowe beats 90s Foreman very clearly.
     
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  7. SuzieQ49

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    I think we can both agree at least half the names I said on my list didn't just hover, they ruled at the top of the rankings in the 50s and some of them were world champions.
     
  8. janitor

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    There is the little mater of Lennox Lewis, and the belt going in the bin!

    That is literately as bad as it gets!

    I personally consider that to be every bit as bad, as Jeffries saying that he would never defend his title against an Ethiopian!
     
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  9. SuzieQ49

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    Yeah it’s bad. Which is just one of many reasons why bowe rates below Lennox all time. Despite the fact Bowe beat a much better version of Evander Holyfield much more efficiently than Lewis did to an older version. Bowes rating all time suffers because he ducked Lennox Lewis. The ducker is rated lower than the ducked.

    Quite the opposite case in the example you used above...In the Jeffries-Johnson 1904 and Dempsey Wills scenarios, people still rate the ducker above the ducked. Bowe Lewis is one of the worst ducks in history, but it still doesn’t compare to Dempsey-Wills whom you often argue on the other side
     
  10. SuzieQ49

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    So bowe being afraid of one man is worse than Jeffries being afraid of an entire race?
     
  11. SuzieQ49

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    My point is bowe still fought a better list of big punchers than many heavyweight champions throughout history..and they were big punchers who were big men above 200lb.

    Yes he missed out on Some of them but did they really want to fight a monster like bowe???

    Tyson went to prison

    Mercer tanked a fight so he wouldn’t have to fight Bowe

    Morrison had HIV and left the sport

    Ruddock retired for a few years

    Foreman wouldn’t go anywhere near a big talent like Bowe. He preferred soft opposition in his comeback. Foreman wouldn’t even fight Tony Tucker

    Lewis there is no excuse. Bowe ducked him plain and simple




    “That opposition”

    He beat a prime Evander Holyfield 2 out of 3
     
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  12. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bowe has an extremely thin resume outside Holyfield this can't really be argued
     
  13. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    so basically you invented an excuse for every fight and you ended it with your imagination
     
  14. ETM

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    Probably not as good as those guys but I'm not sure that it was glass. It was probably normal. If you catch him right he can go down but always got up. Id take a guy like that over Tyson who is never gonna rock back.
    He didn't go down really until he got up in weight. He was slower and his reflexes gone. As bad as Bowe was in the Golota fights he got my respect as far as heart and determination go.
     
  15. SuzieQ49

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    No it’s reality.

    Cooney. Coming off a 3 year layoff in his mid 30s. Definition of washed up. He looked awful in his previous comeback in 1987.

    Stewart. He was a 2nd rate fighter of the era. Knocked out easy by Tyson in 1. Also knocked out by Moorer early and Holyfield. He gave foreman the fight of his life swelling up his entire face and arguably deserving the verdict after 10.

    Morrison had a big time glass jaw. Switched up his style to something he never used before and easily won a wide decision. He was never able to duplicate this performance against any other opponent.

    He was a puncher named on the list. Do you think he wanted to fight Bowe? He wouldn’t even fight Tony Tucker. He got gifted vs steamboat captain Axel Schulz. But he would fight Bowe?