There seems to be a consensus now that Haye would beat Adamek

First off, Maccarinelli looked utter sh*t. For comparison, in NO WAY did Tyson-Spinks have me picking Tyson to beat Holyfield. Haye won't be so free and easy with those right hands against a man that will strike back like he means it, like Adamek will. I see the Klitschko's put some fear into Haye. You can't hardly legitimately put fear and Adamek together in the same sentence. I hope the youths in England aren't trying to make Haye into another Lewis, because if they are, then they are in for a dissappointment. Lewis was a lion. Haye has been showing some, how should I put it, trepidation here lately.

 

Adamek via close UD. :bbb
Stamina, heart, chin, durability & workrate win it for him.

 

Sorry but Adamek wouldn't be able to move from Haye's punches, Dawson put him on the deck, you could claim it was footwork ect but the same could be made for Haye vs Barrett, but the Dawson fight said everything Adamek admitted he couldn't deal with the speed, Haye is the fastest Heavyweight worth anything out there at the moment with a solid shot, ok Grant hits hard but for Grants one I believe Haye will land 3 just my opinion...

 

Very interesting fight. Haye was in a competitive fight with Fragomeni, Adamek does everything better than Fragomeni and I certainly take Adamek over Valuev in more impressive fashion than Haye. But his performances against Grant and Arreola did show his vulnerability. I lean towards Haye, but not by much.

 

Wrong. Fragomeni and Adamek have 2 completely different styles. Fragomeni is more rough and ready style with a tight defense. Adamek is a more high workrate technical boxer with very little in the way of defense and reflexes. Styles make fights my friend which is why you need style analysis rather than 'he's better than him so wins' type analysis. Cotto beat Mosley, Margarito beat Cotto, Mosley smashed Margarito.... it's all about the styles and i see Adameks style playing right into the hands of Hayes potshoting style

 

Why not? Macaranelli for all his faults hits harder than Adamek.

Don't see what the Klitschkos have to do with anything???? In fact a lot of what you posted has nothing at all to do with the thread starters question or what i said for that matter

 

Haye KO/TKO late round about 9/10 similar to Ruiz fight

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Hmm.. That's strange, suckeggs.. I see Haye's potshotting style playing right into the hands of a crisp, short in-punching Adamek. As of now, what are the percentages of this fight actually happening? Considering that Pacquiao-Mayweather isn't ever going to happen, I'm starting to believe, this is possibly the fight that I would most like to see. Right up there with Lopez-Gamboa, or any of the super middleweight bouts, seriously.

 

It would be a very intriguing fight. Any result is possible. Haye's style is dangerous for Adamek and vice versa. I can talk the whole day about Adamek's advantages and you may do the same about Haye's. Everything will be verified in the ring (hopefully) and better fighter wins. Adamek by decision or late TKO :smoke

 

Probably very low in the next 12 months. Adamek will not sign any contract with options, and Haye is promoted by GBP and probably Sauerland and Don King have options on Haye fights. I think that this is the main problem.

 

Wait a minute. I missed this one. It doesn't matter how hard a guy can hit if he's scared to throw. I couldn't give Maccarinelli an A, B, C or even F based on that performance. I'd give him a U. Allow me to explain: England has A and O levels, but in America a U means that the participant didn't even bother to show up. Here it is, suckeggs: Haye was standing right in front of that guy in a way that Adamek would capitalize on like *snap*. I think you missed the topic yourself. Remember: There seems to be a consesus that Haye would beat Adamek. I disagreed with that consesus, started a quick little Haye-Adamek H2H breakdown and... Hold up! Do I really need to lead you by the hand, suckeggs?

 

This is the fight I'm looking for. Big fanbases, big in their respective nations, good clash of styles. Let the winner fight Wlad.

Even before Adamek's struggle against Grant I was very confident about Haye beating him. Adamek's been more hurt than we think in the past few years - even though his chin is fairly good it's his recuperative powers that are great. He was hurt in the Cunningham, Arreola and Grant fights. The way he reacted to Estrada and even Banks' punches made me think he felt them.

This match-up isn'st hard to analyze for me. I could go on about footwork, adaptability, inside-fighting, ring-smarts... But I see one scenario as the most likely to happen and that doesn't include anything of the above. Either Haye bombs him out early/mid-rounds or Adamek rides out the storm, puts on the pressure and outworks/TKOs a fading Haye late on. My money is on the first alternative. Adamek has always been hittable and vs Haye he will taste power of the kind he's never even been close to taking before; Haye's one of the hardest punchers in the sport. He will time Adamek's jab with a right him at some point and Adamek will neither be able to defend himself against or take it. He's surprised me by becoming a decent heavy but he really belongs at cruiser.

Perhaps Haye still is wary about his chin and stamina and so tries to adopt the Valuev/Ruiz Strategy. That will be harder because Adamek won't just be following him all night and Adamek can hurt Haye too. I can't imagine it being like the Thompson fight where him bombs are withstood so Haye should just try to finish him off.

Haye KO 4, and I don't think this is a bold prediction at all. Haye has one-punch power whereas Adamek has accumulative. Haye will move backward, pick his spots and get to him first.

 

Gotta go with Haye but Adamek deserves far more praise and respect than I realized. I believe when you have a weight class limit that is an equalizer. It allows for some dimensional trade offs but keeps things reasonable. As such, I am much more impressed with a smallish heavyweight doing well against guys who are all far larger, taller, and heavier.

There have been two articles in the past few days providing some insight that I had been unaware.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Here's Adamek's trainer Roger Bloodworth from two days ago [substantiating what another writer wrote three days ago - which I (wrongly) thought had been a ridiculously erroneous assertion]:

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"... Michael (Grant) had spectacular conditioning; he fought every minute of every round. From the beginning we wanted to establish that Tomasz can hit him at will and enforce our way of fighting. Michael won eight straight fights, lost only three in his career, and Adamek not engaging him, just passively waiting for middle rounds, would only reinforce his confidence. And Grant was already very confident before saying that he would knock Adamek out. We were risking a lot, but when you fight at this level, fighting an experienced heavyweight with 40 more pounds

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, who wants to dominate you with his jab, you have to take initiative or you give the fight away ..."[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]


So there you have it. Straight from Adamek's own trainer who sees him every day and knows him inside and out.

We know Michael Grant is 6' 7". Apparently, friggin' Adamek is ONLY a bit over 5' 8 1/2". MAN! That makes him about an inch SMALLER than Mike Tyson's actual height. Adamek is a bad m*therf***er. Now Dawson's domination doesn't seem nearly as impressive ... Chad was fighting a near dwarf.


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He probably meant 'reach'. Adamek has 75 inches, while Grant has 86 inches in reach :think

I agree that Adamek should be a cruiser, but now he belongs to HW. I think that Adamek is more proven at HW (despite Haye having a belt). He fought younger fighters and different styles. Thats a big experience. All in all good post, I agree that Haye has an early chance to beat Adamek, while Adamek's chances increases as the fight goes.

But Haye must have been stupid to go for Adamek early, beacuse if Adamek survives, Haye is done. I think that we may be surprised and the fight may go to the distance and it may be very close (split decision, majority, or even a draw). As I think about this fight more and more, I believe it will be a 12 rounds war.