There's a way to save Kelly Pavlik's reputation: FIGHT PAUL WILLIAMS!

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  1. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Let's end this myth about Pavlik above 160. he lost 1 of 14 fights at, near, or above SMW, and he is the ONLY fighter who ever scored a UD over Taylor. Hopkins did not. Winky did not. KP did it at 166.
     
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  2. lONGCOUNTED

    lONGCOUNTED I Killed MMA Full Member

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    Abraham hasnt even fought any of those guys yet... Seriously. And I like how you give Arthur props for maybe fighting the same Taylor that Pavlik left crumpled in a ring corner.
     
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  3. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    And KP is the ONLY fighter who ever won a clear UD over Taylor, and he did it at SMW, 166 actually.
     
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  4. Landshark

    Landshark Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Again I have to disagree with you here, the first fight OBVIOUSLY removed ALL DOUBTS about the winner, the 2nd fight I had it 114-113 Taylor even a draw would have been satisfactory, it WAS NOT CLEAR by no means.
     
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  5. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    your hater, of course you saw controversey. can't have KP beating someone who would clown Abraham, now can we. We've had like 20 polls on the subject of that fight, and only a few haters saw any controversey.
     
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  6. Hermit

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    Saurland put together a showcase for Kessler and Abraham. What about Bute and Andrade? More deserving than the two Andre's? No?
     
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  7. Hermit

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    Most people had it even going into the 11th with Kelly taking the championship rounds. Maybe it wasn't clear to you though I guess....:lol:

    Look. Saurland finally found a way to get the money out of Abraham he wasn't going to get out of a fight with Kelly. Well, at least no time soon. We know the money HBO just offered for Pavlik/Sturm. You think AA was going to light their fire? Good for Abraham. He gets his payday in two fights that are now guaranteed. More than he would have gotten facing Pavlik. This is simple **** stuff really isn't it?:yep
     
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  8. Landshark

    Landshark Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We will see soon, I will make a lifetime Ban bet with you, ONLY if arthur gets "clowned" like you say so ADAMANTLY. By clowned you probably mean arthur losing most rounds right or getting knocked out? Okay so this is the bet, if Arthur wins, which you are confident HE WON'T YOU are done with ESB, LIFETIME BAN , on the flipside if arthur loses or gets stopped, I am done with ESB! DEAL!
    PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS! How about it?
     
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  9. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Has it ever crossed you mind that Sauerland's plan was beating Kelly AND moving up to participate in the tournament from the beginning? If he wins, he moves up as the undisputed MW champion. If he loses, even by knockout, he moves up as the former MW champion, just like Jermain Taylor.

    In my opinion the tournament idea came up a bit more than a year ago and the Sauerlands plan was to get the Pavlik fight in Summer 2009 (no mandatories at that time) then let's get it on. My guess would be Kalle contacted Showtime and the other promoters a few month ago with the idea and they were ready to make it with or without the Pavlik fight in between. Remember: Arthur was still stating he's ready to fight Kelly in Youngstown for less money he'd get home (like he did vs. Miranda) and Arum didn't rule it out at the beginning of the year, when the press put hard pressure on him. But as soon as Mora's name and the cheap PPV idea came up, the fans, the media and Sauerland all realized that it was all Bull**** Arum at it's best ("yesterday I was lying, today I'm telling the truth"), so the Sauerlands quickly put the tournament together with Showtime. The network put on the Oral fight for Arthur to get some air time and Sauerland inked Kessler, who's contract with Palle expires at the end of July.

    By the time Artur enters the ring in World Boxing Classic, he could've faced Pavlik. It wasn't his fault it never happened. Abraham fights for less money in the opponents backyard, how can this be debated after he did it vs. Miranda in Miami? He had a hell lot to win and so little to lose vs. Kelly as the tournament was there no matter what would've happened (Taylor is participating coming from a KO loss).

    The fight everyone demanded failed to get made and if you don't see that the turning point was the Mora announcement (and the Pavlik-Arum contractual dispute), let it be your problem. Mora was no mandatory, so the mando excuse doesn't work anymore. And 4 month later it's still one of the light middleweight Sergios (Mora or Martinez) who's going to fight Pavlik, so that should be a reality check for every Sauerland basher.

    It's not too hard to see, is it, Herm?

    But let's just get back to topic: there's a fight out there to take and save Kelly's reputation. No billions of dollars, no millions of PPV buys, not the promoters dream fight. It's old school fighters dream fight where both warriors have something the other doesn't: Kelly the MW championship, Williams a P4P position. F*ck politics, Kelly needed Abraham and now needs Williams for redemption after the hell of Hopkins. How can his fans NOT ask for it and defend the Sergio choice? :think
     
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  10. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They might be more deserving, but the Andres were Showtime's choice, not Sauerland's, as well as a 3rd American fighter, Showtime is a US network after all. You could make an argument to put Green instead of maybe Taylor, who's coming back from a KO loss, but Jermain is the biggest name for the US public, also a great warrior. It would've been awesome to have Pavlik instead of one of the Andres or Jermain, but Kelly just stated he's looking for a payday and not for "ruining his career for peanuts", which was the most shocking statement I've ever read from him.

    I guess Paul Williams falls under the same category for him, which is sad, because it's the fight for Kelly to get back into the big picture and possibly back to the P4P rankings where The Punisher has a great position today.
     
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  11. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    The largest venue in youngstown holds 7200 people. Pavlik/Rubio sold it out in 30 minutes. Abraham is full of ****, or simply had no clue what he was talking about.

    And you do realize that you just admited that Sauerland had this crap planned all along. The myth that surrounds Abraham is built entirely upon the illusion that Pavlik ducked him. Sauerland admitted to Dan Rafael that they NEVER offered a fight in Germany. Ya -- they wanted it real bad, but never offered a fight in Arthur's largest and most lucrative market? Nor did they try to set up Pavlik/Abraham as part of the tournament. Kelly wasn't invited because if he accepted, it would explode the myth Sauerland created.

    And what fans defended the Sergio choice? If you're talking about Mora the correct answer is none, and you need to stop bringing it up. I know full well that you stay abreast of the news, and know how that fight got shelved. If you're talking about Sergio Martinez, he's probably better than most of the top 10 at 160, BUT no one from Top Rank or Team Pavlik has even mentioned Martinez. Lou Dibella and Martinez are the ONLY people who so much as mentioned it.

    Williams is a ****ing welterweight who fights at higher weights because no one at 147 wants any part of PWilly. A Pavlik/Williams fight would not bring any sort of "redemption." A huge middleweight who assisinates a welterweight ain't doin' **** for his career.
     
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  12. pasky2000

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    1- I'm quite sure Arum wants to be safe right now with the still young and marketable Pavlik across the US, therefore no big risks or Abraham fight !

    2- Paul Williams would be a really good test against Pavlik and as a matter of fact I believe he'd beat Kelly at his own game and at his own weight of 160...

    3- Pavlik just confirmed with his last article what we all were wishing didn't happen to him...Money and fame probably got a little bit too much to his head and pursuing true meaningful fights is not his main goal now !!

    Maybe the best thing that can happen to Pavlik now is actually to lose again......
     
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  13. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :nono Williams is even taller than Pavlik and getting ever stronger at the weight. He's certainly bigger than Sergio Martinez, a former welterweight, who - unlike PW who beat the **** out of Wright, (a guy who could win a round vs. Hopkins - 5 rounds to be precise) - has never ever fought at MW!

    You hold Hopkins' size against him ever since the Pavlik win but Kelly was the larger guy the first place who had more fights North of MW than Bernard, and Kelly was looking to fight Calzaghe, so how does a fighter who has never fought at 160 makes sense? If fans rightfully bash Floyd for fighting Marquez, what do you expect for Pavlik-Martinez?

    But Williams, as I've said, is a legit at 160-er, a bigger name than all the Sergios of the world combined and has something Pavlik lost in the Hopkins fight: a P4P position. Quit acting like a fool and support the Pavlik should fight Paul Williams campaign! :deal You are very welcome on board, Hermit can join the club too. ****, I'll even put the squirrel avatar on if Pavlik steps up for this fight. :happy
     
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  14. Ring Master

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    I'm sorry but he is right.

    P-dub weighed 145 3/4 pounds for his last WW fight. P-dub was over eating to get to 160 and weighed 157 for the Wright fight. He is not a Middleweight and i don't see the point
     
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  15. Hermit

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    You can't have my squirrel. :lol: I honestly think PW needs to put some weight on before fighing Pavlik.
     
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