There's more where that came from

Like a more offensively diversified Pacquiao. (comparable right hook and left cross but more/stronger body work and left uppercuts in his arsenal)

 

How is he more diversified than Pacquiao? A former Flyweight champion does not go up to WW and knockout a prime or nearly prime Cotto being a crude brawler. I'd like to see Rungvisai or Inoue go up to WW and send Cotto to the hospital. They would get flattened like a 7th grader.

Maybe this is more of a praise towards Elorde than a discredit to Pacquiao. But you would expect a crude ex Flyweight to get bombed out by Cotto in the first few rounds. Pac was hardly crude.

 

Dude take your medication. Posts like these are why people think you're bat****.

Nobody used the word "crude" nor "brawler". I also never claimed Elorde was overall greater than Pacquiao. I drew a stylistic comparison between one ATG southpaw and his countryman, a fellow ATG southpaw. Even a ride or die Pac fan if they're honest should be able to admit that his offense isn't the most diverse in the game. Show me where he used the left uppercut and/or body shots as frequently and effectively as Flash?

 

He went to the body pretty well in the 2nd Morales fight. You can see him throwing combinations there and by the middle to late rounds Morales' legs were totally gone. He also went to the body in combinations against Barrera and his legs were gone in the 11th round. They were noodles by the 11th. He went to Margarito's body too and hurt him bad there. He was backing Margarito up and hurting him with body shots.

If Pacquiao's offense was so simple then show me another Former Flyweight champ who could send Cotto to the hospital. If that's not one of the two or three most impressive things ever done in boxing history then tell me why nobody else could do something like that? It wasn't Pacquiao's defense that befuddled Cotto. Pac was never a fighter who fought like that, it was his offense. And if it was so basic why couldn't a WW like Cotto just analyze his attack and then destroy him? If it was so basic and everything just so telegraphed with simplicity. A bigger man with lots of skill like Cotto should just blow him up.

Pac also scored multiple Knockdowns with a single left uppercut against 3K battery. Also scored a 1 punch KO with the left uppercut against 3K battery. The #3 ranked contender in the world. But when your opposition consists of ATG's like Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Mosley, DLH. And HOF'ers like Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Bradley, etc. it's hard to land lots of left uppercuts against guys on that level. Most fighters have solid careers without ever fighting anybody close to that level, or just one of them, let alone like 2 handfuls of HOF guys.

 

Sad the guy dead at 49 years old **** man

 

@IntentionalButt

You were just owned my dude.

 

^ anybody else agree?

 

Oh man I just love how Pac gets guys up in the ropes or corners them and that's when he wants to bounce around at random giving and taking space like he's the only person in the ring aware of it.

Pac's a great fighter no doubt, but the dude was predictable at least from the outside perspective.

 

Okay, wonderful, you were able to go and cherry-pick some anecdotal examples of Manny occasionally using body shots in a successful manner. Unfortunately, what I asked you was, and I quote, to "show me where he used the left uppercut and/or body shots

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effectively as Flash?"

I think you couldn't see the forest for the trees, here, in your haste to prove that sometimes Pacman did in fact sprinkle in body shots that were now and then effective. Bravo. You've completed a task you weren't assigned, that has naught to do with anything we'd been talking about. Once again jumping at shadows and responding to strawman assertions that nobody ever made.

Ignoring the rhetorical question fallacy (you know I can't point to another flyweight champ that could move up and dominate a strong welterweight champion, because that has only been done once, as we all know. Pacquiao was indeed a special talent and did some very unique things we haven't seen before, nor since, and might not see again in our lifetimes; I never said otherwise) - you're guilty here of what is called the association fallacy. You're suggesting that because a) Pac is great and b) I can't prove that his feats of greatness could be replicated by somebody with a more diverse offense that c) he ought to be immune to criticisms of his offensive variety. That is silly. A is true but =/= C.

I think you know the answers to all the rhetorical questions you posed here, and I'm frankly a little insulted you think little enough of my intelligence to not think I do as well. Pac got away with the relative simplicity of his arsenal in large part because he was so physically gifted. Saying you're going to just wait & time someone bunny-hopping in and out throwing a lefty 1-2 over and over again with a counter right and "destroy" him is all well and fine in theory, but in actual practice, in reality, if he's mercurially fast and his execution is as sharp and explosive as Pac's then all your theory and planning sort of gets defenestrated like a useless, discarded, balled-up gum wrapper, no?

That's an oversimplification, there are other things besides just his speed, but that is the primary crux of why. Bottom line, in answer to all your silly questions about how somebody with a simplistic, repetitive/idiosyncratic pattern of attack could get away with it at the highest level and become a consensus ATG - because reasons.

Oh wow, Fahsan 3K Battery, yeah I remember that like it was yesterday...which it WASN'T.

You jumped in the Delorean and floored the pedal for that one, bruh. Narangrit was taken apart with Emmanuel's left uppercut, yes - fourteen years ago. It was still George W. Bush's first term in office (he technically had already been reelected five weeks before Pacquiao vs. Pirang, but hey)

That's like saying "Oh yeah, Wladimir Klitschko is known for his diverse offense because he used the right hook SO FREQUENTLY and SO EFFECTIVELY. Just look at the Ray Austin fight! He annihilated the guy with exclusively right hooks!"

Get what I'm saying?

You need to CALM the FUCK down and stop derailing a Flash Elorde thread with your rabid, militant Pacman apologist schtick. Nobody cares. Nobody was attacking your stupid hero in the first place. You need to not be so thin-skinned about your holy icon. You're just as bad as every fanatical extremist cult member from any religion, ever, on the subject of this guy.

Did you see me call him a crude brawler? No, you didn't.

Did you see me say his offense sucks? No, you didn't.

Did you even see me say that his offense was the most predictable anyone's has ever been? No, you didn't.

You saw me say, in a goddamn Flash Elorde thread of all places (go figure!) that Gabriel's offense is reminiscent of Manny's except more varied. THAT IS A COMPLIMENT TO PACQUIAO, BTW, TO HAVE PAST ATGS (WHOM THE MAN HIMSELF IDOLIZES) CONTRASTED & COMPARED TO HIM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IN A TONE FAVORABLE TO ELORDE! (because, again, newsflash! - this is an Elorde thread).

Good 'lorde.

 

@IntentionalButt

It's confusing for you to say when did Pac go to the body in combinations. Then I give you an example where he jelly legs two ATGs with bodyshots before finishing them. Maybe if Pac had jelly legged Marquez with bodyshots and added a 3rd ATG that he punished to the body you would respect his body punching.

You said when did Pac ever land a left uppercut. Well like I said he took apart 3K battery with uppercuts. You used to term "ever", which encompasses all time periods in history. So it's relevant in the context of your question.

Pac is the only guy in history who has to prove himself time and time again for recognition of his ability. I mean Marvin Hagler beat a shot Duran narrowly. He beat Minter and Antufermo and Mugabi. Then he destroyed Hearns and now he's infallible because he has 1 incredible win and a handful of other high quality wins.

What about Pac? He has 2 incredible wins and about a dozen other very high quality wins. But he should do more and all his fights are anecdotal examples???

That makes little sense. Maybe if Pac found an anti aging cream and forever remained in 2009 form to infinity he could rack up enough wins to move past anecdotal performances.

 

The great ‘Flash’ Elorde. What a fun ass fighter. So dynamic. Easily a top 3 Filipino fighter ever.

 

Predictable... lol.

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Bingo. Now watch as you get branded a Pacquiao hater.