There's something very unfair about fedor's career

The head to head version under the supervision of Team Cus A'Dmato....is something behold.

From 1985 to 1988 in 3 years Mike Tyson fought 35 heavyweight boxers, winning all bouts knocking out 31 of them.

His toughest fight during the D'Amato/rooney time was Tony Tucker one of the best condenders/ B level men ever in the sport.....along side the likes of Norton, D. Tua, the E. Shavers etc type guys.

He destroyed a decent world champion T. Berbick in two rounds after 20 months as a pro.........Berbick being of the same level as the Rahman, Ruiz etc........destroyed M. Spinks (no one else has ever beaten him) and Larry Holmes who is amongst the greatest ever.

The fact that Holmes went onto to fight prime Holyfield and lose a closer decision than foreman did and get robbed against O. McCall...shows Holmes quality.

Tyson accomplishments......fall short......head to head...no way.

In fact when he was physically able........only two men holyfield and douglas beat him........and had to go through hell and back to do it, throw over 800 punches and be at there best they have ever been.

 

H2H Tyson was a great fighter.

But he would have always struggled with a number of fighters. He would always loose to Evander imo, Lewis, Ali, Foreman and Holmes at their respective best would have beaten Tyson too.

However, I don't want to turn this into a boxing thread. Just I disagree that Tyson was number 2 H2H.

 

Subjective. Frazier had the closest style to Tyson. Tyson was better in EVERY department than Frazier. Frazier gave Ali his toughest fights with Ali saying once that in there fights that was the closest he felt to death. Prime for Prime id take Tyson over Ali. Tyson was VERY unique as a heavyweight in his prime. No one comes close. Not even Ali.

 

Unless you count toughness, determination, and, you know, actually accomplishing things in reality rather than blaming his failures on others. Or say showing up in shape and not losing to a 86trillion to one underdog in shameful fashion. Or perhaps beating who most consider the greatest HW of all time, while both were in their peaks and undefeated (the 1st fight was much more meaningful than the second 2 combined).

Being great isn't just what goes on in the ring, being a fighter includes all things involving fighting, including training, surrounding yourself with the best people, and taking every fight seriously; generally everything Tyson was ****ing abjectly terrible at.

If a guy goes into a fight and decides he isn't going to jab, it is no different than going into a fight and deciding he isn't going to train like its a life and death situation; both are FAILURES that lay squarely and soley at the feet of the fighter.

Other than those, yea every trait.

 

In my opinion Ali would have beaten Tyson before they stepped in the ring. Frazier was also impossible to discourage. Mike after getting abused, mocked and made fun of would not have been anywhere near as difficult to discourage.

Nobody has produced fear in oponents like Tyson though.

 

As far as boxing comparisons go, I would lean more towards Mariciano. I think Fedor has better competition when making the comparison, but I still consider Fedor as being undefeated.

Casual fans are just now being introduced to Fedor. If you were not around to see Fedor first defeat Nogueira, you are unaware of what a big deal that was. You're unaware of what a big deal Fedor has been since. If Fedor were to lose now, many of those in the unknowing crowd will wonder what was such a big deal.

 

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Tyson would **** himself.

 

Yeah never said Tyson wouldnt be afraid of other guys.

But from what I have seen Tyson inspired more fear in his oponents.

 

It's close enough to be not worth arguing about, but I think Foreman was scarier to others. Both were something out of a **** victims nightmares.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Nah george never seemed the rapey type.

 

:thumbsup

 

Have you see TUF Britain versus USA? Talent exists everywhere, the difference is that American talents have a better chance of being given the opportunity simply because they live in America. Have a look at the Russian Combat Sambo fighters, those guys would be great in MMA.

Ali is certainly a telent, however its what he did in the American social sphere that made him special. Being American had allot to do with his popularity. I dont think he would have been as famous if he was from another country.

 

I'm not disagreeing, I'm saying that they are a few years behind in terms of developing their talent into the finished MMA product. The TUF guys were not the finished talent, on either side. Russian Combat Sambo fighters could be great MMA fighters, but very few have yet because they have an overall lesser participation rate in MMA and have fewer full on MMA fighter training partners.

Just like the US had a huge amount of wrestlers well suited for MMA, but small initial numbers actually making the jump, and then limited schools/partners to develop full games, the Slavic Judo/Sambo talent is there, it just needs to be harvested into MMA talent by fighting and training MMA more, with more experienced MMA coaches, both of the specialists like BJJ and Striking, and with overal gameplanners like Greg Jackson/Randy Couture/Nelson.

After a while of importing them, they will develop their own, just like many of the best BJJ coaches are now not actually Brazillian or the best Thai coaches actually Thai.

 

what the **** mate u on ur period

pull it together for **** sakez