There's talk of Williams vs. Martinez...

How does a Cintron fight make more sense? He lost to Martinez but got a draw. He does not have a title either. I dont see how its better for PW to beat Cintron. Martinez brings more to the table. Unless your talking about not taking chances to jeopardize his fight with Pavlik.

 

Quintana is a defensive counterpuncher who uses lateral movement and timing of paramount. Martinez throws caution to the wind when it comes to defense (tho he covers very well after flurries), works off of the jab exclusively and uses his handspeed to beat people to the punch.

They are nothing alike (and Martinez is lightyears faster than Quintana as well). Polar opposites even.

 

Interesting, maybe you didnt read the part where I said he is a bigger and better version of Quintana.:think

 

But he isnt a counter puncher. He isnt defensive either. Is he better? Hell yes he is...but when they fight really nothing alike, its tough to say he is a version of him.

I think Martinez matches up with Williams quite well actually...especially in the handspeed dept and he can really turn up his workrate/intensity when its called for. I just think that huge defensive hole that he backs himself into all too often (leaving his gloves way too low) is fine against fighters with lesser handspeed and workrate, but against Paul, that is gonna be a tough crutch to overcome.

 

I'm talking about the fact that he already started training for Pavlik, and it makes more sense to face a tall, orthodox boxer-puncher than to face a southpaw cutie.

 

Cintron has okay speed and good power on a moderate workrate. Williams handspeed is spectacular (much like that of Martinez), and so is his workrate. I wouldnt look at these fights to compare styles if I were you.

Like I said, I hope the fight happens. Im a huge Martinez fan and think he deserves the big fight he has been in line for for a while now. He got the title that he should have fought for for at least two years prior, now lets get him in their with a big name and get him a payday that comes with it.

I just think that one flaw will be his undoing.

As for Quintana, watch the highlight vid...he only drops his hands when timing Williams or opening up into a combination.

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And that was an entirely different version of Williams as well. Since then his defense (like Kellerman said "Quintana is finding Williams easy to hit") has gone from **** poor to quite good.

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Watch the difference in his head movement and the position of his gloves, body and feet (as well as the fact that he doesnt move straight backward anymore) in those two videos. Its night and day. That first fight with Quintana awoke something in Williams. I have never seen improvement in a fighter like that, in that small of a time period as I have with him. I mean, Winky Wright, a fighter known for his accuracy and timing landed 23% of his punches on him.

Looking at the Quintana fight for Williams flaws is like looking at another fighter entirely.

 

Don't tell these fools nothin. Most of these guys already think Williams is a bum anyway. People are still talking about "Look at the Quintana fight" as if it were his last fight. That **** was four fights ago, and if anyone thinks they're gonna see that same version of Williams, their sadly mistaken.

 

Of course...I really wasnt posting those videos to try and say Williams will have the same output vs Martinez as he had vs Wright. I dont think that at all...if anything, Im most intrigued by this fight because Williams output will go down and I want to see if the improvements that he made will continue to happen. What I was referring to was the defensive liabilities being night and day. Which if you watch the difference in Paul's head movement, body, foot and glove placement (the foot placement is key in stopping others defensive and offensive movements), as well as the fact that his lateral movement himself has gotten much better, you can see that the fighter Quintana beat was a shell of what he is now. Thats all...

 

You lost me there...sorry bro.

:-(

 

I haven't seen enough of him to know, but some fighters that hold their hands low WILL raise them as they come in range or get in with someone that MAKES them. If he has the hand speed to back it up, then it is just an 'invitation' to his opponent. Williams ain't all THAT fast.