These HW's today are just so incredibly massive/huge. Just freaks really.

No. That Tyson was already in decline because of nonstop partying, drug abuse and women. Heck, he got dropped in sparring the week before the fight.

 

The average heavyweight contender is about 6'3" 230 pounds these days/ 6'4"-6'6" ranked in the top ten used to be very rare 20 years ago, now most of the top ten is filled with fighters that height.

 

if they didn't need to cheat, then why did they? as far as baseball does, mlb juiced the **** out of the balls to regain interest after the lockout. then they laid the whole thing at the players feet. i seriously doubt every single player suddenly started using steroids for the first time during the lockout. i imagine lots of them barely trained.

 

Ah ok

 

tyson put away lots of douglas-sized too. of title level.

C'mon!
You must have known your argument was wrong...why did you write it? let me know why sometime.

 

No not really these super heavy weights are different animals,that’s not to say Tyson couldn’t KO someone like Wlad or Joshua but when these giants fight smart behind the jab and then hold on the inside the odds are stacked against the smaller guys.
Povetkin looks a monster against everyone until he faced Wlad and so it is with Tyson it’s something we can’t know as Tyson never had to face anyone like Wlad,Fury,Lennox(in his pomp)wilder or an AJ.

 

Douglas wasn’t anywhere near like these modern giants anyway.

 

It's not that weird when you look at the similar size guys in the NBA and NFL. Lebron is 6'8 at 250 lbs with incredible speed and agility. Gronkowski is 6'6" and at 265 lbs with speed and strength.

 

Agreed. the big dudes in the states are NFL.

 

Peer pressure, man. Drugs are cool.

 

That isn't what makes a great a great, it's what they're made of from the inside out not the outside. Both AJ and dw have that true DOG in them that's very rare in top level athletes

 

Ok, just to make sure we’re on the same page...
1) Regarding massive, muscular heavyweights not using steroids Vitali Klitschko, who did test positive for steroids, is irrelevant. Mmmmmkay
2a) There is no evidence that PEDs enhance performance, other than cycling, cross country skiing and weightlifting.
2b) PEDs don’t even exist. Mmmmmkay
3) Athletes, doctors, chemists and the states that coordinate them all are in no position to claim the PEDs work. Mmmmkay
4) Well, at least here you admit that it’s possible for athletes to be dishonest.
5a) PEDs have no more effect on athletes than magnetic wrist bands. Mmmmkay
5b) State sponsored programs are not allowed to be referenced because it was forced on the athletes ergo any nonexistent effects from nonexistent PEDs can’t be considered ( take that you filthy communist dogs! ). Mmmmkay
6) The Lance case is actually more complicated than most realize. He had the complicity of the corrupt UCI (cycling’s version of the WBC) and an equally corrupt media machine looking to spin the narrative of a cancer surviving American winning the coveted TdF. What is clear is that prior to cancer, he was solid puncher roleur, capable of hunting stages and one day races. After his recovery from cancer and the decision to dope full throttle he won the 21 day stage race an unprecedented 7 times - consecutively. Vehemently denying doping rumors all the while saying that a man who had endured cancer he would never risk his health with PEDs.

 

1. Over 20 years ago, with a young man who would already have testosterone levels through the roof. At that age steroids would be even more redundant.
2. And 2b there’s no evidence they improve anything. But in those sports that are reliant on the extremes of physiology you are going to have the greatest effect.
3. They don’t all claim they work. Some assume they work, some have an agenda to claim they work, some believe they don’t work, all don’t actually know. Even if they know it worked in a certain case that doesn’t mean it would work in another case. Genetics and individual variation ensures that we are guessing.
5a. Same level of evidence (none).
5b. Group versus individual choice, and irrelevant to the efficacy or not of the made up term ‘PED’.
6. So was Lance the only one doing what he was doing? Or was he just gifted with the genetics to get the most from the drugs? So your genetics can make a big difference then? Why is a genetic outlier then suspected of taking steroids?

 

Fair enough, big dog. Let’s just agree to disagree.

 

Thank you for the reasoned and reasonable discussion.