These HW's today are just so incredibly massive/huge. Just freaks really.

earl campbell was a better athlete than larry holmes. jim brown was infinitely better than ali and foreman. like i said, football has gotten the best talent since at least the fifties.

 

Agreed.
So many gyms have close the past few decades for kids to grow into the sport.

Then add on the enticing multi-million dollar contracts in baseball, b-ball & football. And while I commend PBC for trying to bring boxing back to regular television- its nowhere near the recognition boxing got when I was a kid. Brent Mussburger on CBS hyping fights, Dan Dierdorf commentating & of course Howard Cosell in ABC's Wide World of Sports, it was inevitable to see more than a few boxers.
Whose the last American boxer to promote any product? Floyd? Too much money in other sports. But I also think people like Floyd totally screwed fans by ensuring everything he does is PPV. That's wrong. I got nephews who can't name more than 3 or 4 active boxers. When I was 15, I could name a dozen easily.

 

I dont know about the best "athletes" as basketball has had some incredible athletes over the decades but i have to agree with you for the most part and i dont think youll find any sane people that would disagree with you.

 

Froch looks like a little kid compared to Joshua.

And it's not that Froch is small. At 6'1, he's of above average height for a man.

HWs are bigger now than they were in the 90s. Lewis was taller than just about all of his opponents. Now, there are more HWs his height or taller.

 

yes he has world class attributes. hes just not a titlist.

 

Held the WBA regular title from 2011-2013.

 

exactly, not the WBA world title.

 

So you’ve said some things that seem pretty difficult to accept, such as PEDs not working and not really even existing. It’s easy for most of us to dismiss you as trolling but you do come across as intelligent and civil so I’d like to hear you flesh your statements out a bit more. Will you qualify those statements in laymen’s terms?

 

I think that there used to be big heavy weights but they were not good enough to get as far as the big heavy weights today do of today.


they’re s rare blend of talent, skill, and size


The big contenders of the past they did not have the skill and talent to go with her size.....but Lewis and then the K bros broke that wide open


They are all three retired but now we have Joshua who carried on this era of really big AND good heavies, which, until Lewis and the K Bros, was an unprecedent combination in boxing.


(Wilder is tall but not a”big” massive fighter, and I also don’t think he is on the level of those I mentioned)

 

lots of guys with similar builds in the early stages of their careers right now too.

 

He doesn't come off as a crazy troll. And he's not an ignorant idiot. He's worse than that. He's a liar. He knows right from wrong, fact from ficton, but he's choosing to disrespect everyone here with his brazen lies and prevarications.

 

Some people just make me assume the worst from the start, but others make me want to at least try to not assume the worst. Dealt With is in the latter category for me. It doesn’t seem possible to be misinterpreting his statements but I really would like to hear him go into a bit more detail. He seems civil, and that right there sets him apart from many posters on the internet. The worst that can happen is we just vehemently disagree, the best is that maybe I learn something and have a clearer view of what he means.

 

Tonight on HBO Lampley was talking about that fact that he can't remember when any heavyweight has ever fought at over 300 lbs., well, I can remember when Valouev used to fight at 330 lbs., sometimes he would lose more weight, but he was over 7 feet tall...................

 

The fact that this a plausible response is insightful about what is wrong with Boxing. The key to any sport is that at the end of the day the best is crowned champion. This is impossible in boxing today. If a group of over informed Boxing nerds can argue if someone was never an actual champion how is there any hope for a casual fan to be interested?

BTW , What happened to HerolGee?

 

Go have a look at WADA/UKASADA/ASADA website and look at the substances that are prohibited.
First of all it is a prohibited substances list, not a list of drugs that will enhance performance. Many things are on there because they could potentially have a detrimental effect on health. They could also potentially improve performance in certain sports. Basically anything that alters physiology in anyway is on there. The majority of the substances on there are there based on their usage in the clinical population. There is precisely zero evidence for the majority of the substances having an effect on even a normal healthy person, never mind an elite athlete. When you have a sick person who is lacking in some regard then these drugs can help them get back to ‘normal’. Your body always tries to maintain homeostasis, anything you do to try to get away from ‘normal’ is counter reacted by another physiological mechanism to compensate. If you take something for a significant physiological benefit it’s almost certain that there will also be significant unwanted side effects. That’s why the WADA list is more about keeping athletes safe than keeping the playing field level.
Then if you look at potential performance enhancing effects you need to look at the outcomes of that drug and it’s relevance to that sport. There are substances that could potentially be beneficial for one sport yet they would be potentially detrimental for another sport. They are on the same list, they are both banned.
If you look at the scientific literature on some of the more well known banned substances you’ll find very little. HGH is almost completely useless, there is evidence it could help build muscle mass, have a detrimental effect on aerobic capacity, and has no effect on performance measures. We worry about muscular young men taking steroids, and this is the population that will gain the least from them. When you are young and a good specimen you have a constant stream of high levels of testosterone. Adding more to your already high ‘normal’ is going to cause more harm than good. If you’re talking about a female or a man who doesn’t produce testosterone then yes, it would a massive effect on everything. That’s why you need context when talking about the same thing, it’s not just ‘this is a performance enhancing drug and they cheated’. Yet it is the same drug on the same list, banned for everyone who is competing. Context isn’t taken account, sport isn’t taken into account, evidence isn’t taken into account. It’s a list of substances that could destroy your health, could provide an unfair advantage, could put you at a disadvantage in your sport or most likely wouldn’t do anything for a normal fit person.
When you’re talking about anything you have to define terms. There is no such thing as a performance enhancing drug. That’s not my opinion, that’s factual in the official sense. That is a layman blanket term given to substances that you are not allowed to take.

I do have an emotional bias potentially at play here. When I was a teenager approaching my 20s I suddenly got quite muscular without doing much of anything. I would get asked by people if I take steroids. I didn’t, and even my diet/sleep was very poor at the time, and I wasn’t too active.
I became interested in working out later on (I liked the attention my muscles got me) but I became interested in athletic training primarily. I wanted to get strong and powerful. So anyway I worked out, went to uni, got a career working with athletes. When you work with athletes you need to quantify progress by testing. So long story short, I know what athletes are capable of from the grass roots to the professional level, to the Olympic level. I’m in my 30s now and I can still jump higher than my group of international level track cyclists. I can still run 20m faster than 99% of professional soccer/rugby players. I can still bench press more than 99% of rugby players, I can still do chin ups with more weight than all the kayakers, pole vaulters etc.
I know that there are physical outliers because I am one. I also know that I’ve never taken anything other than some creatine and amino acids. I also know that people think I take steroids.
So you combine my education with my personal experience and then maybe you can understand why I take this seemingly unorthodox perspective on the issue. It’s something I haven’t discussed to a great extent with colleagues but when I have mentioned my opinion I haven’t heard convincing arguments against, and I’ve had some agreeance.
Maybe I’m just being naive and I’m completely wrong, and I don’t read people as well as I think I do. If I was wrong it would be painful on many levels, on a personal level I’d be even more upset with myself for not doing anything significant with my physical gifts. People can be clean and be physically gifted, I know that for a fact. I also know how little athletes in general think about food, sleep etc. even at the highest level. They aren’t going to the effort of researching, sourcing and timing their ‘supplement’ intake to avoid getting caught. I’d be shocked that most of them had gone to that effort than anything else. These are people who are focused on their sport training (often multiple sessions a day- conditioning, skills, weights, education etc.) so it’s hard enough just to get them to focus on having a nutritious meal with enough energy (which is going to quantifiably have a greater impact on acute performance than any banned substance).

Edit: apologies for length/grammatical errors, typed on my phone.