Thiago Tavares won fight versus Griffin

the ufc judges value escapes rather than great submission attempts. taht's just how it goes

 

Apart from shogun griffin this was the best fight for me on the card. Tyson is like a slippery eel! That kid canget out of any sub attempt.It was a pleasure to wacth some great aggresive grappling. Shame Tavares came off worst off but Griffin really deserved that win.

 

That was an amazing fight but Griffin was the winner, no doubt.

 

Which is complete bull****.

 

no, there's plenty of doubt, that's why theres a thread about it. submission attempts are like having your opponent on the ropes, and should be rewarded, if the guy was so clearly dominant then why was he defending submissions in the first place? but ultimately when it comes to judges, you're taking huge risk, since who knows what they like and more than possibly they're incompetent or bribed.

 

They don't value them more, they just cancel each other out. Unless you get a solid catch like Diego's triangle that won him round 3 in their match, I think they way they score is correct. Ju-Jitsu isn't just about attempting submissions, but also about avoiding them. If a guy goes for a choke, but the other guys defends correctly, how can you value one over the other? If those attempts cancel each other out, which they did in that fight, we go to who held dominant position and who did the most damage which would easily give Griffin Round 1 and 3 in my book.

 

I see no doubt. I think it was only the third round that was close.

 

Agree that 30-27 was way out of the ball park. Personally I scored the last round a 10-10 as well, making the fight a draw, but if I had to name a winner that round I would have picked Griffin.

 

Who else just loves Tyson Griffin whoever he fights it exicting.

 

It's not a matter of submission attempts vs submission escapes, its a matter of submission attempts vs punishing your opponent.

Had Tavares not been battered whenever he missed, he would have won, but Tyson didn't just escape, he dropped him on his head, rained down hammerfists, basically made Tavares pay for every miss.

A submission attempt is still a failed move, it should count certainly, but when you miss a sub, the other guy is no worse off than before, whereas when the guy drops you on your dome and punches you, your are worse off than before.

 

Having just watched that again, I think 30-27 is not an unreasonable score.

Tyson clearly won the first 2, the only thing that really was close to locked up was the omaplata, which is a low percentage submission, the first time Tavares was on the back, he got put into guard and hammered on, the second time he got dropped very hard on his head and then pounded on, both those exchanges go to Tyson.

The third was mostly scrambles, Tavares probably avoided enough punishment to get it with the takedowns, but giving it to Tyson would be just fine with me, he inflicted more damage, thats for sure.

 

definitely. it takes more talent to trap an opponent than to get out of a submision. sometimes escapes take no talent at all, some guys just power out of it and the judges eat it up. sad really, but that's just how it goes, even the crowd reacts that way. tavares gets griffin into a near submission and they are silent, maybe some do not understand the skill it takes to get to that position, then when griffin escapes, the the audience pops.

 

Thats why I picked Sanchez over Fitch. Cause people seem to be impressed by someone being on top. In their mind its a winning position. In reality its pretty much as even as standing up. The **** that Sanchez was pulling off was slick as hell but noone seemed to notice. Going from armbar attempt to triangle while folded in half is nuts. Sometimes I wonder if all the judges saw was that Fitch was in "dominant" position controlling Sanchez while the latter was wabling around helplessly...