things I hate about Louis vs Ali debate

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ivancho, Nov 23, 2020.

  1. ivancho

    ivancho New Member Full Member

    Nov 23, 2020
    I think Cassius clay Aka Ali vs Louis is the most interesting boxing phantasy match up of all time. Two of the very best boxers of all time. But some fans with little knowledge says this is a complete mismatch.
    1- People always complain abouy different eras can't be compared but the fact is that Louis and Ali era's were very close. Louis last fight was in late 1951, Ali started in 1960 only 9 YEARS LATER
    2- Ali competition was superior to Louis, yeah but its not Louis fault
    3- Some People say Ali was too big for louis and that's wrong Both guys had similar frames Ali was only an inch taller, and 5-10 pounds heavier in his prime. In fact Ali faced many guys that were way smaller than a young Joe Louis

    In my mind Ali has the edge in this fight because his superior footwork but Louis could absolutely win.
    It would be very competitive ... 24 years old Ali the same who destroyed Cleveland williams vs 24 years old Joe louis who knocked Schmelling in their second bout
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2020
  2. Woller

    Woller Active Member Full Member

    Nov 24, 2005
    As I always say - I would love to see the rematch.
  3. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

    Apr 9, 2020
    I have never thought about this really, but I'm glad u brought it up. I think u have a lot of good points.
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  4. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

    Oct 7, 2020
    I've been saying this. Louis has all the tools to beat Ali. The only flaw I see that will work against him is his lack of foot work. This could be a huge deciding factor in the outcome of the fight, but Louis still has a good chance of winning.
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  5. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

    Jul 2, 2006
    Louis's peak years were 1938-42 and Ali's peak was 1964-67 so i do think their eras were quite far apart if you are looking at their best versions.

    I agree on size. Louis was 6'2 207 lbs at his best fighting weight. Ali was 6'3 and 215 lbs or so. Not much of a difference.

    Ali is at #1 for me and Louis is at #2. I am not sure if that will ever change.
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  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    I couldn’t make either Ali or Louis a heavy favorite over the other. I think it’s a close match. I might favor Muhammad slightly. But Joe Louis was excellent at cutting off the ring. And while Ali was quicker on his feet, Joe arguably had the faster hands. His combination technique was probably the best of any fighter in any division and definitely at heavyweight. Both guys could go fifteen rounds. Ali might be a bit more durable but didn’t have the sort of power to hammer Louis into submission anyway. It’s a tough fight.
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  7. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    Feb 8, 2020
    That's cause it is. Ali brought something completely new and overall boxing improved when he came on the scene.
    Louis era boxers were too static compared to Ali. Louis can definitely finish Ali if he connects, but he'll never be able to do that, Ali is just too fast and has too good reflexes to be caught by Louis, who lacks the footwork to do so.

    Ali was around 6.3, Louis was 6.1, that's 2 extra inches. Ali also had a bigger/wider frame and longer reach.

    That is true, Ali benefited from facing many smaller men.

    No it wouldn't. Ali outboxes him all night long and wins it on points, perhaps even on a late stoppage.
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  8. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Hagiographer Full Member

    Oct 28, 2017
    I think Ali peaked higher, and has a stylistic edge, but Louis has a great jab and an awesome left hook. In his prime his feet weren't slow in the way often made it, it was much more an issue as he aged, though he certainly had some trouble with movers.

    I'd pick Ali, but Louis is live IMO
  9. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

    Oct 16, 2019
    Ali would school Louis and im sure of that, I’d actually pick all the top guys from the 70s to beat Louis
  10. Bogey picker

    Bogey picker Former child banned Full Member

    Oct 17, 2020
    Babic beats louis. Too big too strong
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  11. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Mar 20, 2013
    2 off three probably Louis... Hit too fast and hard for Ali..boxed pretty good too
  12. tommytheduke

    tommytheduke Active Member Full Member

    Nov 21, 2013
    Louis' competition was n't bad at all. Lou Nova, Tommy Farr, Godoy, Conn were waaaay better than Chuvalo, bonavena, Quarry, TERRELL
  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    Godoy and Farr were absolutely not better fighters than Quarry, Chuvalo or Bonavena.
  14. tommytheduke

    tommytheduke Active Member Full Member

    Nov 21, 2013
    I just can't see Bonavena or Chuvalo beating Max Baer or being competitive against Louis
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  15. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Active Member Full Member

    Apr 29, 2020
    No they were not, by a long way, don't know how you come to that conclusion ? keep well.