Thirty years ago this week: Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Márquez Méndez begins imperfectly perfect career

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  1. Serge

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  2. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What a career JMM has had. One of the greatest Mexican boxers of his era.
     
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  3. Johnny1987

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    Ever since he KO’d Pac, I have been drinking my own pee. The results are non performance enhancing. Clean fighter
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Beyond the glory he captured for himself, JMM and to a lesser extent his brother Rafa helped solidify the already persuasive case for trainer Ignacio Beristáin. (who got in two years before Dinamita had even put the icing on his own cake with the immortalizing KO6, the coach's induction only appreciating in value thence)

    I would argue the sibling tandem and Juan Manuel in particular ultimately surpassed even Ricardo "Finito" López as being destined, of all Nacho's pupils, to be in posterity most closely associated with his name - just as JMM's nemesis Pacquiao definitively surpassed James Toney as Freddie Roach's, and (said with trepidation, as this may rattle the hornet's nest of controversy) either or both of the pet-project vulnerable-yet-rehabilitated heavyweight champions Lennox and/or Wlad may have surpassed homegrown Kronk protégé Tommy Hearns as Emanuel Steward's.
     
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  5. Flo_Raiden

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    Gilberto Roman was probably Nacho's best student until Roman's untimely death, and then Nacho started training Ricardo Lopez after Cuyo Hernandez passed. JMM has stuck around with Nacho the longest and has been there during his entire pro career, therefore making him Nacho's finest pupil that he's worked with from the ground up. The bond between these 2 is up there with Ali / Dundee, Steward / Hearns, Pacquiao / Roach as the best boxing duos.
     
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  6. Dannymita

    Dannymita Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My favorite fighter ,what more could you ask for ..technical genius, best combination puncher I've ever seen, his ability to recover is legendary ...used to love how when he was hurt he would bite down on his gumshield and throw back....guy had balls like spacehoppers.

    One of my favorite fights of his coming up was against Julio gervacio...it showcases everything that was great about Marquez...and this is back when he was pretty fleet of foot as well....guy was gliding around the ring landing bomb's.

    The warning signs were there pretty early in regards to his kryptonite..he hated a mover...his tko win of Julian wheeler was a bad BAD stoppage...and wheeler was well on his way to victory.

    Doubt there will be another like him.

    My favorite fights of his are obviously the Pacquiao quadrilogy

    The first Juan Diaz fight

    The Barrera fight (technical war - boxing at it's very best)

    In regards to an absolute beatdown then the gervacio,katsidis and jandaeng fights show his combination punching at its finest.

    Shame he never got the Hamed fight...that would've catapulted him to superstardom...he woulda absolutely beat his ass.

    Also shame the morales fight never happened
     
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    Couldn't stand the crybaby personally, but I can't deny he's one of the best Mexican fighters to ever lace them up. I really do wish he would have got the opportunity to fight Hamed and Morales, those fights would have been epic.
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    You can go back in time and wave a magic wand over his career, and effect one change from among the following:

    1. Tip official nod his way in any of Pacquiao I-III.
    2. Make the Naz fight happen.
    3. Make the Morales fight happen.
    4. Prevent him from embarrassing himself with the bulk-up only to get dominated by Mayweather. (ie JMM doesn't even agree to fight him)
    5. Make a rematch for any of his close decision losses (excluding the aforementioned Pacquiao, so: Norwood, John or Bradley)
    What do you fix?
     
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  9. Dannymita

    Dannymita Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ****..great question...Marquez arguably doesn't deserve as many losses as or on his resume...but I don't think I'd want rematches if those fights..the John and Norwood fights were crap n I thought he took both....the Bradley one...he was well passed his prime n in a weight class he didn't have any business to be fighting in..so I'd probably leave those


    If the 4th pacman fight hadn't happen I'd want him to get the nod in there 2nd or 3rd fight ...I thought he won both ... especially the 3rd.

    As much as I hate the Mayweather fight...I wouldn't change it because I'm not gonna criticize a fighter who at an advanced age n passed his peak ..jumped up in weight and dared to be great.

    So for me it has to be the naz or morales fights....... Gonna go morales ...because that has potential to be one of the best fights of all time.


    You?
     
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  10. SquaredCircle

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    Hard to believe it's been nine years since he fought for the final time (reminds me I'm getting old). Even at his advanced age, it was amazing when he let the combinations and textbook punches flow.
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

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    EM as well but for me it was an easier cull.

    A victory over Hamed would have meant far less after Barrera exposed him, and letting JMM get to him first would deprive MAB (of whom I'm an even bigger fan) of his starmaking triumph.

    Rematches with Norwood, John or Bradley stylistically would have always just risked the results being repeated and further damaging his legacy, and yeah, they weren't among his most exciting fights anyway.

    I scored all three decisions for Márquez over Pacquiao in the initial trilogy, but I'm satisfied with the KO6 being the conclusion and lasting impression of their rivalry and ultimately serving justice for none of them going JMM's way.

    For the reasons you stated (being dragged up past his prime two divisions from lightweight, itself already two divisions above his peak weight, in an intended cherry-pick for the sport's p4p #1) the loss to Mayweather doesn't count against him all that much. It's just embarrassing for various reasons. (the pee drinking, the bulking up like a Venice beach meathead and looking horribly slow in the ring - and the most lopsided defeat of his career, even if for understandable and forgivable reasons).

    Morales vs. Márquez is the classic we the fans of that era deserved and never got, and it would have closed the circle on the four-way rivalry involving both of them, Pacquiao and Barrera. It's very high on the list of fights I'd prioritize with a time machine. :thumbsup:
     
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  12. Flo_Raiden

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    JMM vs Morales would have completed the circle on what could have been a modern Fab Four. Shane Mosley vs Felix Trinidad is another fight that the fans missed out on.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Who's the fourth to close that Fab loop with them and DLH? I guess El Feroz, right?

    I would rather be greedy and substitute in Quartey for him, meaning we get Tito vs. SSM, and Ike vs. both of them. It was a hell of a welterweight in reality but completing that circuit would just give it a turbo boost up Mount Olympus.
     
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  14. Flo_Raiden

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    Yes Fernando Vargas. But now that you mentioned Ike Quartey he's someone that honestly could have fought Mosley and Trinidad as well. Linking Mosley and Quartey into the mix with Oscar, Trinidad, and Vargas would have been one helluva circle.
     
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  15. Badbot

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    Ironically, Marquez stopped doing that before the third fight.
    So... the jokes kinda on you there, buddy.
     
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