This day in 1990, JC Chavez wrecked Meldrick Taylor

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  1. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Something about this fight...
    The late Dempsey1234 worked for Main Events, the Duvas, at the time, as a talent scout. He was the guy in charge of getting the proper sparring for Taylor and he was in camp every day.
    If you knew D1234, you got a call from him just about every day, sometimes several a day, to talk boxing. He and I talked about this fight at length- he talked and I listened- and what he said may be of interest.
    He told me how George Benton would get in the ring with Taylor every day and walk and talk him through every move of the fight, for 12 rounds. Benton would be Chavez and he would tell Meldrick how and where to turn, etc...
    The thing is, they never ever contemplated the idea of staying away from Chavez. The only plan was to stay close, turn him, and extend exchanges by changing the angle. They were certain that, because Chavez was coming up from 130, that Taylor would be much stronger.
    Also, Taylor came to camp at close to 190.
     
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  2. Mario040481

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    Did this guy ever tell you why they told Taylor the fight hinged on the 12th rd?
     
  3. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    No. He wasn't in the corner.
    In my mind, it did.
     
  4. Mario040481

    Mario040481 Member Full Member

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    He ever give you his opinion on whether this fight really "ruined" Taylor? Sorry, just curious.
     
  5. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    No.
     
  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Interesting. I also have long thought George Benton cost Taylor the fight. Revered as he is by some, Benton was a one-trick pony — turn and combinate, turn and combinate. You can see it in all his fighters, and it’s sound technique, but it’s just one tool (or set of tools) and a fighter needs more in his toolbox.

    Watch Holy-Qawi I and you’ll see Evander fighting almost the exact fight same fight that Meldrick did against Chavez. Same range, same turn-and-combinate style.
     
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  7. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    I agree with you, there were some issues in Taylor's corner. The Espana fight was particularly bad.
    After the Rosario fight you wonder why they committed to fighting Chavez like that. But hindsight is always 20/20.
     
  8. Saintpat

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    As the old football coach Pat Dye once said, hindsight is 50/50 haha.
     
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  9. mr. magoo

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    I can’t believe it’s been 31 years. I remember watching that fight on HBO the night it happened
     
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  10. Glass City Cobra

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    I guess it boils down to if you feel it's worth the risk letting a fighter potentially "go out on his shield" when there are less than 10 seconds left.

    The fighter in me says yes, you should allow a guy one last shot if he's on his feet. What is the point of giving a standing 8 count if you're just going to wave it off?

    The compassionate side of me says if a guy is covered and lumps and blood it doesn't matter that he was ahead on the scorecards, safety comes first.

    I was resolute for a long time Taylor got robbed, but now I'm not so sure.
     
  11. Thread Stealer

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    I had it 7-3-1 for Taylor going into the 12th

    Taylor won round 1, Chavez the 2nd, Taylor 3 through 8. 9 and 11 for Chavez, 10th even.
     
  12. Thread Stealer

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    I’ve always felt that Taylor was distracted by Duva getting up on the ringpost when Steele was asking him those important questions. He was sort of there, not fully, but I think he would have had enough to answer Steele and last those extra seconds to win a decision if he wasn’t too busy looking at Lou.

    Isn’t it a cause for a DQ for Duva to have been up there in the first place?

    Anyway, Taylor was always going to have a short stay at the top due to his style and the talent level at 147, but this sped up the decline. He actually looked very impressive a year later in beating Davis for a title at 147, but looked shaky in his next couple title fights. His team probably saw the writing on the wall and cashed out on him with that Norris fight. Espana was a mandatory and always going to be a horrible matchup for Taylor.
     
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  13. Saintpat

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    The point of the 8-count is to give the referee a chance to assess the condition of the fighter before letting the opponent back at him.

    Before the 8-count was originated, if Fighter A knocked down Fighter B, he could commence hitting him when he got to his feet. (And before the neutral corner rule, he could hover over him and resume the attack immediately.)

    The 8-count is for fighter safety. I’d counter your question with What’s the point of an 8-count if the referee is NOT going to end the fight if he sees a man is done and in immediate danger of being unable to defend himself and not aware and somewhat recovered at the end of that count.
     
  14. Saintpat

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    If he is so out of it that seeing his cornerman climbing the steps distracts him to the point that being asked if he’s OK by a referee who is standing right in front of him doesn’t get his attention, he’s out of it IMO.

    If I’m awake/conscious/aware, me looking at one thing does not stop me from nodding my head yes emphatically and turning my head back to the ref in front of me.

    This is a ref counting right in your face. If he’s distracted by a bomb going off in the audience or Fan Man flying in circles descending into the ring, OK, maybe he’s so completely bewildered that he has zero focus on the ref in front of him. But it’s his own cornerman, whom he recognizes, climbing up steps, which he has done for every round in Meldrick’s entire career. It’s not an unusual sight, not something that should cause a fighter to become so completely enraptured that he forgets that he’s in a fight, he’s been knocked down, and the ref is in his face asking if he wants to continue.
     
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  15. Rope-a-Dope

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    I watched this live on tv. The most dramatic moment in boxing I've ever seen was the ending.