This era of Welterweights is/was trash

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    It was an American dominated division. That's why they all got so much hype. If the division was full of Asian or Eastern European fighters nobody would have ever heard of them. I never called Thurman or Spence elite. Always thought they were overrated. Never called Crawford elite until he dominated Spence and earned that label. Spence is a good, but not anywhere near elite fighter. Crawford is elite and did what elite fighters do to non-elite fighters. After thumping Spence he deserves that.

    Biggest joke of all was the insane hype that Keith Thurman got. Who the **** did Thurman ever beat? As it always is, it's all about resume.

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  2. Guerra

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    I think Spence is elite despite getting schooled hy Crawford.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who did Spence beat? Shawn Porter? He barely beat Porter. And while I am a Porter fan, it is Shawn Freaking Porter. This guy makes Artur Beterbiev look like Pernell Whitaker.
     
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  5. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If WW is trash, than what would you called other, weaker divisions ?


    WW is solid and a lot better than Super bantam weight.
     
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  6. tinman

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    122 is not a strong division. It's Inoue and then a huge drop off. 200 and 115 have been the strongest divisions of the era. Problem is nobody gives a flying **** because they were dominated by Asians, South Americans and Eastern Europeans. God forbid an American, Brit or Mexican fighter knocks out some paper champs, then they are the best thing since Pacquiao.
     
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  7. senpai

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    126 is a lot better.
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    It's the epitome of a dumpster fire. Which if these names truly inspire confidence? Vergil Ortiz and Danny Garcia have moved on to 154, Spence is soon to follow. The division is a flat out horror show.

    Terence Crawford
    Errol Spence Jr
    Jaron Ennis
    Cody Crowley
    Alexis Rocha
    Souleymane Cissokho
    David Avanesyan
    Jin Sasaki
    Steve Spark
    Thulani Mbenge
    Shakhram Giyasov
    Roiman Villa
    Rashidi Ellis
    Blair Cobbs
    Ekow Essuman
    Abel Ramos
    Michael McKinson
    Jamal James
    Giovani Santillan
    Chris Kongo
    Tyrone McKenna
    Gabriel Maestre
    Jon Miguez
    Jordy Weiss
    Egidijus Kavaliauskas
    Ve Shawn Owens
    Mario Barrios
    Paul Kroll
    Josh Wagner
    Karen Chukhadzhian
    Raul Curiel
     
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  9. tinman

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    It is. Avanesyan is a decent negative spoiler. But as far as being a threat to beat anybody decent? Nah. Ennis is fast and fast twitchy. But totally unproven. His resume is a joke. Spence is supposed to be a power puncher, but the power has never actually come. Ortiz cant make the weight. Thurman got beat by a 40 year old Featherweight. And the rest of the contenders are as inspiring as stale milk. The division is in shambles.
     
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  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jesus ****ing christ. Look at that list of Welterweights.
     
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  11. Rollin

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    Yeah. American drama for Americans more or less. Three best divisions are in my opinion:

    135: Lomachenko, Lopez, Haney, Kambosos upset, Stevenson, Keyshaw and Gervonta Davis, Andry Cruz, Pitbull, Ryan Garcia, the likes of Frank Martin and Zepeda. Sure, fighters are moving up and down, but its a division packed in talent and excitement.

    115: Estrada, Gonzales, Ioka. Nuff said. Most underrated division at the moment. Granted, it's aged.

    200+ If fights were being made, heavyweight would be the crowning jewel of boxing. We have Fury, Usyk, Wilder, Joshua, Joyce, Zhang, and the 2nd and 3rd fiddles in Hrgovic, Sanchez, Jalolov, Makhmudov, Anderson, Zhan, Ajagba, Clarke, Knyba etc. Not all of them are stars, but there are plenty of huge bangers, American or British hypejobs to be exposed, or niche fighters to look forward to (a potential Cuban heavyweight belt holder; another Polish attempt at replicating at least a quarter of Golota's legacy etc.) The fading former contenders can still give some gatekeeping swan songs (Parker, Whyte, Ruiz, though Andy still has some top fights in him.)
     
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  12. Serge

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    Well, it's definitely been very overrated because it's American dominated and I and many others have been saying this for ages. If these top 147 pounders were from anywhere else outside of the US the division would not receive the fanfare and hype it does and they would not receive the recognition they do.

    They're good fighters but the simple truth is they and the division receive extra points and credit from the outset for being American and American dominated.

    Spence in the second best welter of this era but he's been on mission clean out 147 of all its career 140 pounders (and blown up 135 Mikey) and featherfists since winning his first world title six years ago and the only two times he actually fought a career 147 world champion in his entire career he struggled badly against both.

    It's hardly a coincidence he had a much easier time against all those career 140s he forged an career out of facing (and 135 Mikey) where his natural size, strength, and power were huge assets for him but he struggle so much against the only two career 147 pounder world champs he fought.

    It's also hardly a coincidence he was fed all those career 140s featherfists or average punchers by the PBC/Showtime mafia, most of whom were in-house PBC fighters, and hyped to high heaven for beating them by their narrative shaping media shills.

    Look no further than what the PBC/Showtime mafia and their partners in crime in the sanctioning orgs and the PBC/showtime media shill affiliate cheerleader spin merchants are and have been doing with ''five time, three-weight world champion'' and ''P4P great'' and ''face of boxing'' Twink's career? Most of that is a pack of shameless lies and I've honestly never seen so much smoke and mirrors in my life and it's all been orchestrated by the PBC/showtime mafia in collusion with a huge helping hand from the sanctioning and their media shill spin merchant affiliates.
     
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  13. tinman

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    Agree mostly, but promoters love themselves Mexican fighters too. If there is one truth in boxing it is Mexicans will buy PPVs to watch their guys fight.
     
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  14. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I've been calling Keith Thurman overrated hype since at least 2017 or 2016. And the amount of flak I got for that from so called hardcore fans here was insane. I was like just using my eyes and brain here. Goddamn guys get off my dick. Just actually use your eyes.
     
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  15. Dangerwood84

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    Very true. I always thought Crawford was elite, Spence good but way overrated, Thurman and the rest. Ennis look's the goods though but unproven as you mentioned.
     
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