This is all Mayweather's fault

pac can pick and choose just like floyd can now.
belts don't matter at all for these two and it's not very often we get this situation where the two best fighters of an era can fight each other in a weight class that is comfortable with them both.

but only in boxing can this be completely ****ed up because when the federations give a **** about their own pockets more than the good of the sport, and that is tolerated...then anyone else involved in boxing can pretty well write their own ticket - and especially fighters who transcend the sport.

 

Someone please explane to me how Pacquiao refuseing to fight Mayweather is Mayweather's fault?

 

A concession was made. Pac agreed to the testing isn't that the concession? Why did he agree to the testing that he didn't agree to before? Because, Mayweather Proved his drawing power with the Mosley fight and so Pac gave a concession. Before the May-Mosley fight, Pac was on top of the boxing world, after the May-Mosley fight, it was 50/50 so Pac agreed. And besides, what does it matter that Pac changed his mind? How else is the fight supposed to get made if neither side gives up some ground? Pac gave up ground and Floyd went on vacation. Are you saying that since Pac didn't agree to the test initially, that he should not give in to the test ever?

 

its not if floyd shows he's genuine since pac relented on floyd's request.

but he hasn't, and for the first time in his career after spending the last ten years crowing about how good he is he's nowhere to be seen.

 

who Margarito and Clottey fought to earnt a Pacman fight?


by your logic then Pacquiao is not deserving when he first fought Barrera.



To earn a Pacman fight these days, you've must be TOP RANK FIGHTERS or free lance fighter:deal

 

pacman and barrera were much lower weight then. PPV markets rarely cater for top fighters in that bracket so you'll find that the best fighters at lower weights regularly fight each other.

'the 'logic' i use has method. i'm still waiting for you to tell me why berto deserves the fight

 

Yes...I agree that Floyd is the obvious choice, as an opponent. I just don't feel it is all his fault that we don't have this fight. We could have had in March. Coming out of his fight with Shane, we could've had it in November, possibly. But, he evidently wasn't interested enough in the deal offered, through intermediaries, to take that deal, or pursue the matter further, at that time. When Manny did not like the deal on the table, he didn't take it either did he?

However, Manny's choices of opponents in lieu of Floyd...are HIS choices. Floyd cannot and should not be blamed, for those choices. Pac's legacy needs to stand on its own. He said he is satisfied with his achievements in boxing and that he does not need Floyd, etc. He should be held accountable for his own decisions...just as Floyd is.

 

Bottom line he's the undefeated World Champion of the division Pac currently fights in. He is essentially David Haye, what the **** does Haye bring to the table...I mean who's he beat to deserve a shot at the Klitschko's, nothing he's beat no one. But he's a champion, granted he does have a bigger fan following and I concede that, but my point is Berto (like Haye) has beat who's he's had to beat to earn a legitimate World Title in their respective division, hence they are deserving of fighting the best of said division. If Pac/PBF claim to be the best in the WW division, they should have to beat Berto. It's not just a Pac deal, I would say the same for Floyd, Berto is a legitimate option. Unless Floyd is fighting Martinez or Pac, he should fight Berto.

 

Because he is much better option than recycling Marquez and Mosley. Boxing need new face and flesh. Giving shot to the new comer than fight the senior citizen of boxing.

 

Thanks for a civil and intelligent discussion (no homo) which should go without saying, but they are becoming so rare here, that **** I feel as if it deserves some acknowledgment.

 

Full random blood testing with no cutoff was too thorough for Team Pacquiao's liking.

Anyone who is saying "this is all Mayweather's fault" are saying "I don't like when elite level athletes step up in an unprecedented manner in an attempt to show they are clean and not dependent on PED's to get them where they are in a sport (all sports) where PED use is rampant."

 

no the bottom line is berto is not a legitimate undefeated world champion.
he's a paulie or a a lacy who is known in the states but who hasn't earned ****.

you're right about haye, but the big difference is that the heavies have always been the poster child and money spinner of boxing - and very few fighters get the world interested in boxing as much as a top heavy fight.

the only people who take berto seriously are americans who are in the loop with ground level pro boxing - the rest of the world doesn't know who he is.

might be harsh, but it's true.

berto is still a contender trying to earn his stripes - nothing more.

and he's not getting a prime fight he hasn't earned.

 

I completely agree.