This is exactly how Tyson Fury vs AJ will go

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  1. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    I can understand your viewpoint, but that really isn't the case. And no, my assessment isn't based off the Wlad fight, it is Fury's career in general since about 2010.

    If you were to check my post history, I don't actually rate Fury that highly. Nor do I really like him as a person given the disrespect to the sport we all love. But styles make fights, and from what both fighters have provided as evidence, AJ is the weaker of the two, outside of power. Fury has great footwork for a big man, his size advantage + his stamina is a massive advantage against an opponent who expects you to stand in front of him.

    I will take your example of Cunningham to elaborate. AJ isn't Cunningham. Cunningham had the ability to get inside as the smaller man. This was done by using footwork, dipping and working inside. Fury underestimated the smaller man and ate humble pie.

    Much the same as the smaller men who managed to tee off on AJ during the Olympics as well as Whyte. The difference is AJ doesn't like going backwards, as he relies on his offence as defence. He stands incredibly straight (like Parker) and leaves his chin out for overhand rights. Where as Fury is the complete opposite.

    This would also be the same reason that I would give a smaller man like Parker, Haye maybe even Ortiz a good chance of giving Fury an intersting fight.

    I just don't see AJ being the person to trouble Fury. He has great power, a better chin than people give him credit for and is fun to watch. However, he is very one dimensional.
     
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  2. jyeahfosho

    jyeahfosho mrtechnicalboxer Full Member

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    Nah Aj wouldnt lose his call and throw wild punches. But Fury does win
     
  3. willcross

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    By his own admission, he's not ready for Tarver yet. Needs someone even worse or maybe two. Then build himself up to Tarver and Briggs later on. Tarver vs Fury 2019. Tarver vs Jones 4 2020 for the lineal heavyweight crown.
     
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  4. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why does it matter that Tyson Fury has better head movement, lateral movement, backward movement, jab and etc. Yet, when it comes to the main objective of boxing (hit opponent - OFFENSE and not get hit by the opponent - DEFENSE), he is CLEARLY inferior to Anthony Joshua?

    Boxing is based on these two objectives. Hit opponent (offense) and not get hit by the opponent (defense). The most skilled boxer is the one who is the best at accomplishing those two objectives legally within the rules of boxing. If a boxer can perform more moves (like Tyson Fury) but is still inferior at accomplishing those two main objectives of boxing, then that boxer has inferior boxing skills.

    And as for stamina. Can we agree that Anthony Joshua throws more powerful punches than Tyson Fury more frequently?

    Can we also agree that throwing more powerful punches consumes more energy than throwing less powerful punches?

    If yes to both questions, then there is no way we can deduce who has the better stamina between Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury.

    Anthony Joshua doesn't need to throw too many punches like Fury does. The few punches he does throw, are usually enough to KO / stop opponents.

    And more important than stamina is controlling pace of bouts. Anthony Joshua is only going to get better (like Wladimir Klitschko did as he became more experienced) at controlling pace of bouts as he has more bouts. And by the time he faces Fury, stamina problems are most likely going to be moot by then. So Fury may not be able to rely on Joshua gassing by then.

    And we really don't know how good Fury is. He arguably lost to McDermott. He was dropped by Steve Cunningham and NEvan Pjakic. Was losing to Steve Cunningham. And the only bout we can go by is Wladimir Klitschko which is a very small sample size to establish how good a boxer is. Since Wladimir Klitschko was 39 years of age, which is an age when every other past heavyweight champion was either retired by or losing to bums / Journeymen. So we don't really know if it is down to Fury's brilliance or Wladimir Klitschko's decline which enabled Fury to win. It's more likely due to Wladimir Klitschko's age and declination than anything spectacular by Fury.
     
  5. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    If they ever fought and Fury was more than a shell of himself, that's how I think it would go down.
     
  6. Gymbot

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    Exactly. Those declaring Fury the second coming of Muhammad Ali conveniently forget he should already have a loss on his record to fat John McDermott, a British level heavyweight at best.
     
  7. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Easy nights work for Fury. Easier than fighting an old Wlad since he wouldn't have to concern himself with the steelhammer jab.

    Fury doesn't even need to be in top shape or prime against AJ. A 38 year old Takum who was out riding on his bike for leisure 12 days before the fight manged to test AJ.

    Boxing IQ superior footwork combined with size and reach advantage will always trump power.

    Fury plays with him.