This is what's killed boxing (decisions like pac-vargas)

That is not what happened. You sound stupid. The problem wasnt the test it was the cut off dates.

 

Hes been reading too many chris williams articles.

 

Stupid is what stupid does

 

Slapping or not, the objective is to win. And Calzaghe won in Hopkins' own backyard in front of Hopkins' own countrymen judges.

 

I scored the second round 10-7 for Jessie. It was only a flash KD, so I awarded Jessie 2 KDs.

#twilightzone

 

So, the only way we could dispute Calzaghe's victory is if we pretend that his punches don't count, which is unfortunately for you not the case. I guess that Calzaghe will forever remain guilty to a certain groupie of fans for coming to the US, defeating Hopkins and Jones Jr, and retiring undefeated at 46-0.

 

Calzaghe ruined Hopkins that night. After a bad start, Calzaghe pulled away and had Hopkins looking for timeout

 

An old post.

Almost everyone that scored the fight for Hopkins is lying to themselves and others. I understand that Hopkins is an American legend but...

Here are some solid facts
1. Calzaghe landed more than 100 punches than Hopkins throughout the fight.
2. Contrary to what people want to believe, Calzaghe also made Hopkins miss more
3. All round punch percentages, Calzaghe finished ahead of Hopkins
4. Calzaghe outlanded Hopkins in every round
5. A Byrd who scored for Hopkins. Type in Adalaide Byrd in Google and see what comes up for yourself, still here are some little things for you to look at
a. A Byrd was the only judge out of the 3 scoring judges that had Mack ahead against Cloud
b. The K Pavlik - A Lopez fight was scored 98-92, 99-91 by the other 2 judges, A Byrd scored it 95-95
c. A Byrd was one of the judges that had Morales a 4 point loser against Maidana
d. In the S Aydin vs S Ouali fight, the other 2 judges scored clearly for Aydin. Byrd scored for Ouali
e. The J Almaraz/C Tyler fight was scored a Maj-Dec all because of one judge, guess which? A Byrd
f. The A DeMarco/J Reyes fight was a SD. Guess who the odd judge out was? A Byrd.
g. The R Torres - M Arnaoutis fight was a close fight, a point either way to 2 judges but a wide result scored by Byrd
h. In the A Pryor Jr/D Stanislavjevic SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd
i. The W Ferguson/J Lopez SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd

I think thats enough for you to get the picture with Byrd. Remember the other 2 judges scored clearly for Calzaghe

6. Calzaghe beat Hopkins in America, at a new weight with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref.
7. Calzaghe scored the single highest score card against Hopkins ever 116-111 at that time.
8. The 2 judges that scored for Calzaghe agreed on 9 of the rounds
9. Calzaghe landed more on Hopkins than anyone ever at that time.




Now I know there will be a flood of people coming on here noting Hopkins scoring a flash KD in the first round, and I agree that Hopkins did win a few rounds even when he didnt land as often, but people are mad if they think Calzaghe won on workrate, Calzaghe won because he was able to land his left more often than Hopkins could land his right.
Calzaghe finished the stronger and took away the moments Hopkins likes down the stretch.
Other thoughts, If Hopkins thought he was winning, do you think he would have been looking for time out and would bother trying to get points deducted off of Calzaghe, of course he wouldnt, Hopkins knew he was losing.

What I do note is that nobody seems to mind Hopkins lost to Taylor. In the first Hopkins/Taylor fight, Jermaine was badly hurt and Hopkins looked the stronger at the end, yet it seems to upset alot of these people that Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Appears very biased.

 

http://www.boxingforum24.com/thread...-pacquiao-vargas-118-109-for-pacquiao.576343/

 

Are you sure you watched the fight? or just the xbox boxing game

 

how can the score be 120-103 after 4 rds & wth is a 20-6 rd, unless you mean number of punches? unless i'm completely misunderstanding what you're getting at

 

boring this thread was

 

I believe that this was a good, competitive fight that Pacquiao won by 2, maybe 3 rounds. I do not think that Vargas was ever out of the fight and acquitted himself well- and that Pacquiao looked pretty darn good for his age, his wear and tear, and the fact that he was training part-time due to his senate duties.

You do touch upon a couple of important points- even if not stated this way:

There are nightmarish judging discrepancies available to us on nearly any fight. I wish that was addressed more often. We should not wonder what fight any judge was watching- ever. when you consider how boxers careers can "turn" on losses, it becomes even more important.

Our "star" fighters are often gifted any close or questionable rounds when, IMO, that should not happen. This really becomes a problem when those gift rounds become obvious gift victories due to addition. We have all seen that. This is not limited to Pacquiao and Floyd.

(While I'm a Pacquiao fan, I really watch now keeping in mind that in the relatively near future he will go a fight too far. I don't want to see him in that fight, but feel I will. I hope he is judged accurately in every fight- it may clue him in on when he has to stop.)

I'm not sure a rant is the right way to get things fixed, so maybe you could lead a letter writing campaign regarding the things you see as unfair or corrupt. I, for one, would gladly contribute to a letter campaign about better judging.

Have a good one.

 

Sorry....I was just trolling the troll.

I had Pac winning no less than 9-3