"THIS is WHY FIGHTERS DIE"

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Kiwi_in_America, Jul 27, 2019.


  1. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    I just read something on a different thread that I felt was so important that it deserved it's own discussion. Below is the comment by Chacal about "Boxing safety" that is deserving of a thread in itself-

    "I have seen things you people wouldnt believe.

    I have seen fighters hired to get a beating, and being weighed with a bag full of stuff in order to make up the weight. They are hired to be knocked out right there while people cheer in a nonsense one sided execution.

    I have seen fighters making his debut vs a guy with more than 50 fights, just because his trainer lied to him and told him he was a debutant too. Serveral times. One of them got a rib broken, a friend of mine.

    I have see trainers laughing at his fighter IN HIS FIGHTER'S FACE, telling him that he is a bum and that he is going to be executed that night. Just because the fighter didnt understand the language.

    I have seen a trainer saying to another "you give me someone to receive a beating by my guy, and I'll owe you. When you need it, I'll give you another one to your guy".

    And it is not anything that I've been told. Those are things that I HAVE SEEN, me, myself.

    Boxing is a business full of *******s. Especially at low level. People die? I'm surprissed that so few people do it."
    -Chacal. (From this forum).
     
  2. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You'd think someone that saw all that wouldn't even bother watching boxing, let alone post 4,500 + posts on an internet boxing forum.
     
  3. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    boxing is a terrible sport, hardest sport ion the planet, mentally and physically, i loved it and everything but you never know whose gonna stab you in the back. i got put in with an amatuer with 20+ fights in my second amatuer fight, i was completely new to the game and completely unprepared, could i trust my trainer? no. if i were ever do it again id do it myself, because thats the only person you can trust.

    chacal is probably 100% right in what he says.
     
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  4. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Only about 500 boxers have died since the Queensbury rules.

    More than 500 pedestrians died while using a crosswalk in 2006.
    All in all, there were more than 4,700 pedestrian deaths on U.S. roads that year.

    This is why it's called the hurt business.
     
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  5. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    1. Nobody has to box professionally. You probably get better money delivering food in the early stages in your career, especially if you're not good at all and fighting out of a small gym, you probably pay more then you receive.
    2. Of course boxing is dirty. Take a look at some results which were made by judges in front of Millions of people disagreeing with the scores. It's corrupt from A to Z.
    3. Boxers die because Boxing is combat sports and you get hit to the head. Often. Especially if you do it on a daily base.
    4. Those examples above are irrelevant because everyone should have the IQ to see if my coach/promoter or other guys around are taking a **** on you or helping you. Everyone has people around which don't have the best thing in mind if it comes to yourself. Kick their asses out of ya life boy. Those boxers should do it.
    5. Take a look at some huge PPV cards, tons of mismatches, Boxing is 80% a fight of mismatches. People want to see brutal KOs, blood and other ****. Everyone who is living the lifestyle should be aware of that fact.
     
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  6. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    good points but youve basically confirmed its a dirty and corrupt sport. I love the sport but i dont like to see deaths. its common for teenagers to be put in with men in sparring and learn to deal with it, infact its a great tool, but what does that teach an aspiring boxer, to fight of the backfoot using speed and fear?
    **** tactics wait till that teenager is in his late teens early 20's so he can develop his skills and give the veteran something to think about.
    actually mismatches are **** to watch. most boxing fans dislike them. brutal ko's involving 2 elite fighters is what boxing fans want to see. or atleast fighters on the same level. by the time youre a pro youve seen it and done it all in the ring, from then on its refinement, toughness and fitness.
     
  7. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The sport is still very draconian in this regard.
     
  8. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So true,fans ain't as dumb as promoters think,give em a 50/50 fight and they're all over it
     
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  9. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    True...But there are some instances where a fighter is put into a situation where he/she is taking shots to the head more frequently than they should and die as a result. Tim Hauge could and should have been pulled out of his fight with Adam Braidwood a lot sooner. Hugo Santillan didn't need to go ten hard rounds only a month after suffering a one sided loss in another ten rounder. And in Santillan's case, he sure as hell should have received attention a lot sooner when he started to show obvious signs of distress.

    Boxers will die at some point due to the nature of the sport...But better management, officiating, and medical attention can limit the number of deaths that take place.
     
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  10. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    What about all the brain-injured boxers that never get past the lower grades?

    Sport needs a clean-up.
     
  11. bruce_keyes

    bruce_keyes Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who is Chacal? and why are we quoting him like he's some boxing authority ?
     
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  12. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    No doubt, boxing is a very dirty, gritty business where no one needs a degree to participate and there are potentially big paydays down the road.
     
  13. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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  14. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    Exactly what Howard Cosell said years ago.

    "You'll never clean it up. Mud can never be clean."
     
  15. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Your statement is 100% true and boxing is a hard and painful sport, but the op isn't looking at what is going in between the ropes, rather the dirty business of boxing itself. It doesn't take a genius to understand the dangers that come with 2 highly trained men in the art of hitting people to know how dangerous it is. My question is, does the sport really need scumbags taking advantage of fighters to make more money? The sport is already dangerous enough without a-holes putting on one sided affairs.