This is why I admire Ricky Hatton...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Apr 5, 2009.


  1. djoc175

    djoc175 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good point and Rui I don't think Hatton intended to stay at 147 but Rui is right...$$ is Hattons master and his main motivation nowadays.
     
  2. Rui

    Rui Well-Known Member Full Member

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    DINAMITA, it is clear that you dissect a person's post and attempt to tailor a portion of that post in order to support your argument, all the while ignoring the context under which it was posted. If that's your idea of "winning an argument", then you're doing a pretty shitty job -- and it actually discourages the other person from continuing because what you're doing is completely ignoring the other individual's points (which often bears relevance on the point that you're addressing) and nitpicking certain aspects to best suit what you think is true.
     
  3. djoc175

    djoc175 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Valid point and one I backed up in my above post but Hatton did talk of a fight with Mayweather when Mayweather fought Gatti at 140 but it didn't materialise.Back then,the fight would have been far less lucrative but I'm not denying Hattons motivation is £$£$£$
     
  4. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly, then maybe the 'I was at the wrong weight' excuses would have carried some water. He didn't lose because he wasn't a natural Welterweight; he got outclassed by a much better (and naturally smaller, or at least lighter) fighter.
     
  5. DINAMITA

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    Hagler was 3 inches taller than Dwight Muhammad Qawi (at that time Dwight Braxton). He would not have been dwarved at lhw. But he wouldn't have had the strength advantage he had at mw, hence the reason he never went there for the cash 1980-84.

    Also, it's not as if the Hatton-Mayweather fight happened out of the blue, the money and interest generated over time.

    Had Hagler moved up and beat Qawi (like Hatton moved up and beat Collazo), then that would have started interest in Spinks v Hagler. Had there been all the public confrontations, the build-up, the discussion etc that happened before Hatton v Mayweather, then it is perfectly viable that Hagler could have made 8 x his normal earnings for a huge fight with Michael Spinks, considering Hagler's comp 80-84.

    I don't know how you can say Hatton v Mayweather was not that big of a risk for Hatton. That's just stupid. Mayweather may not have been much bigger than Hatton, but size isn't the only issue. Mayweather was by far the best fighter in the world, and Hatton had struggled at 147 v Collazo. How is that not a huge risk?? :patsch

    In 2007, no-one thought Pacquiao wasn't going to keep moving up and that Marquez wouldn't follow him.
     
  6. DINAMITA

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    I'm not trying to win an argument, because it's not as if you are ever going to say "you know what Dina, I have completely changed my mind and I now agree with you completely that Hatton's attitude is admirable". I know you never would, and I'm not interested in changing your mind anyway, we are simply having a discussion. I happen to find your argument dull and illogical, because you seem to think that the sole motivation for boxing is money, and I don't believe that is true, so we will never agree and the argument will have no conclusion.
     
  7. DINAMITA

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    I don't think he is saying he lost because of the weight though, just that it was a factor. And it was. Watch Hatton v Tszyu then Hatton v Collazo. He was not as effective at 147. However, that doesn't change the fact that he was beaten by a vastly superior fighter in Mayweather - and Hatton knows it.
     
  8. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The f'k are you talking about? Nobody is saying that per se; it was a risk in that he would likely lose - said risk being more than counterbalanced by the reward of $20 million, 'I lost to the p4p best out of my natural weightclass' (no mention that the other fighter was even more out of his natural weightclass) etc etc.

    If Ricky Hatton had the stones he's being given credit for in this thread he would go up to Welterweight and fought Cotto instead of the likes of Pauli Maligigigngianaiigi. And he would have fought Witter when it was a legitimate unification bout and potential classic domestic match as well :yep
     
  9. Rui

    Rui Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't feel the need to address this because now you're really getting into a matter of fantasy (with all the talks of public confrontations, build-ups, etc.). It's all a matter of arbitrary speculation from this point on.

    Poly already addressed this.

    Actually, I don't know how fresh your memory is, but people were speculating how well Pacquiao would translate to 135, let along 140. And Marquez' transition would've been even more dubious.
     
  10. Smazz20

    Smazz20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So who's more admirable from this clip?


    BTW, Hatton was on a win/win situation with Mayweather. Few people would pick him to beat Mayweather at 140 let alone at 147 where he barely beat Collazo. Hatton receives little shame in losing to a great fighter and gets a mega purse for his troubles. But you admire him for that while looking past the fact that he blatantly wouldn't fight Witter. A fight that was as natural to make as Eubank/Benn and would of been a treat for all British fight fans.Ah, but then Witter was not up to Hattons risk/reward standarsd was he.
     
  11. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I suggest you listen to hatton himself; every time he speaks he says that, and that the referee cheated him.
     
  12. pngo

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    Is that why Hatton didn't want no part of Mayweather when he was at 140?
    Because he wanted to fight him at 147 and have a perfect excuse for when he lost?, "I only lost because I suck at 147".
     
  13. DINAMITA

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    Hatton had the stones to go up to 147, but he was not effective there, and suffered a crushing KO loss. Having already done that, he now wants to stay in the division where he knows he performs best, and make huge money fighting the world's top 2 fighters Pac and Marquez.

    Why would he go up to 147 again to fight Cotto when he already knows now that he isn't effective there, when he could make more money and fight a greater opponent at 140 in Pacquiao? :patsch Fail.
     
  14. Rui

    Rui Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're not even arguing with civility. You're blatantly ignoring some of the points that I bring up and using edits to arbitrarily target some of my points that you feel are weak without including my other points that follow it up.

    For instance, I've asked you twice to clarify your belief that the fighters around 130/135 are avoiding Pacquiao, but you still have not addressed this issue, instead choosing to move on.
     
  15. DINAMITA

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    The guy had only just won a world title, excuse him for not chasing the world's best fighter before he had established himself as a legitimate champion, a top 10 p4p fighter, and a name big enough to sell the fight. FFS.