This is why I think Pac can't beat Mayweather (video)

I knew you wouldn't feel that way. But truth is....pressure bust pipes! And Floyd has trouble with pressure guys. His last fight with a true pressure fighter was JLC way back in the day. You can say Ricky, but Rick doesn't really apply intelligent pressure and even then he had struggles. PAC's not the regular old dance partner in this fight. I feel PAC is gonna be the one leading. Hopefully we'll see how it plays out if these two can finally get the fight done.

 

Manny isn't the bigger man weighing 10 pounds more and the type of grimy ring savy fighter JLC was. JLC was holding Floyd the opposite side the ref was on and using ruff tactics like something B-Hop employs. You talking about 2 different types of pressure.

 

Manny isn't JLC at all. He's by far a more dynamic fighter with a lot more weapons that he uses intelligently. Manny has got a lot of ring savvy that he's built up over the years fighting elite opposition. Manny doesn't like to hold and that may be a good tactic to use....but PAC's not one to hold. They absolutely have two different types of pressure but ANY kind of pressure has proven to give FLoyd problems. DLH, Hatton and JLC all had different kinds of pressure that they implemented. And they all had their version of success. Manny will bring his own style but two things Floyd struggles with are lefties and Pressure. It's not gonna be an easy night that's for sure.

 

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Unlike JLC who was battling an injured Floyd the other 2 guys you mentioned didn't have "effective" sucess. The sucess Ricky and Oscar recieved was cheering from the crowd regardless if their punches were even landing or not. Manny I'm sure will garner the same but can he land anything effective ? Floyd makes it pretty clear when he lands a shot and its always the difference in his favor . Pressure usually works in Floyds favor by the way. You " pressure" ploy has been used for years now. FYI.

 

DLH won more rounds on FLoyd than any other opponent and Ricky gave Floyd his hardest "physical" test which Floyd surprisingly admited. Let's face it...EVERYONE knew Floyd would beat Ricky and Most felt he'd beat that version of DLH....but NO ONE expect either fight to be as difficult as they were.

Manny will land...that's for sure. How consistantly will be the question and can he land a punch that can actually stun or hurt Floyd is anther. I know Floyd is gonna take punishment and so will PAC....the question is who will be able to fight through the most difficult times and persevere to grab the "W".

"Pressure ploy". When Floyd has success with pressure...it's against guys who aren't applying relentless pressure.. Like JMM or Shane. PAC is relentless. That to me is gonna be the difference.

 

Floyd also said Emmanuel Augustus was his most difficult fight.Floyd is the best counter puncher today. Ricky found out what a straight right hand was,didn't adapt, kept lunging in( much like Manny does)and got introduced to the turnbuckle. My only point is that Manny may feel relentless pressure will be the key but frankly in doing so it raises Floyds countering . Lets just agree to disagree . Manny is out of his element of checkers here. Floyd plays chess. Manny isn't a thinking man like youre trying to portray him as. In fact thinking screws up his whole routine. Manny is going to be in a world of hurt when he has to rely on his mind to judge,anticipate and guess where his target will be before he lets his hands go. You see he's best effective when his opponent goes to war with him. Its no secret. Watch the Clottey fight. He just throws the same combinations over and over again . He doesn't adapt and he doesn't think. Hes a broken record that Floyd will adapt to easily. Manny isn't the complicated fighter youre trying to sell me on.

 

I did watch it. At no point did Shane look hurt, he just looked like he was going through the motions throwing a poor jab and countered over it. His head snapped back? So what, it looked worse than it was.

 

Pac's pressure and speed will bother Floyd early on, but I see no way Manny wins unless a big combo puts Floyds lights out. And I don't see that happening either. Floyd has the reach size and discipline to give Manny issues all night. Biggest difference in my opinion is preparation and Pacquiao has none. What will he do when he realized Floyd is faster and more accurate that anyone he's faced? I think that big unknown will be the deciding factor. 8-4 Floyd is my prediciton and that's if Manny gets 4. Now I think those rounds will be 'close' to the judges and most observers, but that will be due to the crowd jumping and cheering everytime Manny throws. Same with Oscar, same with Hatton. Watch the fights over in slow motion or with the sound off and see if your opinions change on how close they were. The crowd was going crazy because of Oscar's pitter patter punches to Floyds sides!! One of the most hilarious things I've ever seen.

 

emmanuel is a pressure fighter, but he also missing some key ingredients common in pressure fighters.

He can't cut off the ring as shown in the Cotto fight, isn't a body puncher like Jose C was, and isn't mean on the inside at all.

Jose C was selectively brought up because Floyd had a hard time that night, but emmanuel fights nothing like Jose. It's similar to how people lie to themselves that emmanuel can do what Mosley did in the 2nd round, but everyone who's been following Mosley's career knows that he hits much harder than emmanuel.

Ricky also lifted weights for strength training like a mad man and loved fighting inside of the clinches. emmanuel avoids clinches like his life depends on it.

ODLH won only 3 rounds against Floyd. How is that a "hard fight"? It seems like you want to trust the judges scorecards in the ODLH fight but not the first Castillo fight.

 

EA actually was his hardest fight up to that point. I think Floyd is the best counter puncher today....I don't think that is even debateable but being a counter puncher who waits for opportunities is actually beneficial to Manny.

Comparing Hatton to Manny in any way is gonna have your view of the outcome all ****ed up. Floyd is a very conservative and efficent fighter. He doesn't like when he can't dictate PACE. And he'll surely be working at a PACE if he fights PAC that will be above and beyond anything he's ever encountered in the ring. He may counter more b/c he's forced to, but he's gonna be taking punishment which Floyd isn't really use to.

Placing PAC in the category of "CHECKERS" is again...underestimating the kids ability. Hatton plays Checkers.....Manny is definitly playing CHESS with Floyd. At this level to say otherwise would be completely wrong. Manny has a lot of layers to his style...just like Floyd...They are just polar opposites in how they go about operating in the ring to win their fights.

One is very calculated and defensive where the other is very Offensive and constant. It's no doubt a compelling match up and either man has got what it takes to beat the other. Only one way to find out who comes out the victor.

Manny does think....he adapts and changes his offesnive strategy when necessary and a lot of the time he's doing it during the middle of a round. Like when Cotto was having some early success with the jab....Manny began adapting and countering the jab of Cotto and took that weapon away from him.

Floyd is gonna have the same kind of problems finding Manny with his style. Floyd likes to anticipate his oppoennts next move. But with PAC...he's all over the place.. Darting in and out, left to ring...leading with the left or right from all angles. Floyd is definitely gonna have some troubles figuring out PAC rhythm simply b/c PAC's Rhythm is so sporatic.

And yes...you're right. PAC is gonna FORCE Floyd in to a WAR. Floyd won't "WAR" with PAC for too long.... He's smarter than that. But when he has no other choice that will be where PAC has his most success.

With Josh you can't really adapt to a fighter in survival mode who doesn't produce offense. You can't really adpat when the other guy is just in a shell. You gotta work with what you got.

Manny isn't complicated at all....he's dynamic and he has a lot of different skill sets that will definitly cause Floyd problems. I don't have to sell that......it is what it is.

 

Not true. Morales, Marquez, and even Cotto to a degree where able to control him with their jabs, timing, accuracy, and most importantly great bodyshots. There were at least two instances in the Cotto fight where emmanuel had to lay off and take a 30 second break after eating a hard body shot. Morales and Marquez kept hurting him through the body.

 

C'mon man.... Cotto was RUNNING after round 9. PAC wasn't looking to run into something. Cotto is dangerous! But you're right. PAC does need some work cutting off the ring. And I think that is something that he'll be able to pick up if he can get Floyd in the ring. He'll have to if he wants to up his chances at beating him. Manny absolutely has great work that he designates to his opponents body when necessary.

I'm not sure if PAC can do what Shane did to Floyd. I honestly think Shane got lucky Floyd was flat footed at the time Shane rocked him. Floyd won't be so stationary in there with PAC. I do think PAC has very solid power but not SHANE power. The man is probably the most devastating WW out there today. PAC has 1, one punch KO where he actually slept someone..and that was Ricky. Other than that Manny breaks you down and beats you up....and people fold.

PAC doesn't Clinch...I don't think that style is one that PAC likes. I think it could help once he slows down a bit. But right now NOT letting his OPPOENT tie up is key. When PAC is offesnsive he's winning. Tieing up would hinder his strenghts not highlight them.

3 Rounds?:huh DLH won more than 3 rounds and he actually had one of the judges see the fight in his favor. Along with a lot of other folks who scored the fight. I had Floyd winning by 2 rounds. It was a close fight but Floyd finished strong and won. But to say he only won 3 rounds is off.

 

EM, JMM and Cotto are more offensive minded. PAC was constant but couldn't be overwhelmingly constant with his offensive pressure b/c those fighters are NOT as DEFENSIVE as a Floyd jr.

Cotto did have success early on with the Jab...and PAC adapted beautifully to counter the jab and take that away from him. PAC has been stopped by body shots...so if anything that is something Floyd and ALL of PAC's opponents should at least try to implement knowing that in the past he has shown weakness there. BUt going to PAC's body means you are opening yourself up to counters. Those who try have got to weigh the "RISK vs REWARD" factor. Cotto tried but had to quit b/c he kept gettin lit up.

 

How did you manage to give Oscar 5 rounds when you scored the fight?:huh

Juan for hire's timing and accuracy was what gave him his success. Two things that Floyd has an abundance of.