This is why VITALI is NOT even a top 20 ATG

I not doubting marciano was great in his day. Although I bet if we did a similar thing for his record as we are doing now for vitali people would argue it wasnt as great as it is make out. I am just saying, it all depends on how you consider someone for an ATG list. If it is that whoever is on it would beat/be competitive with anyone in any era, then I think the klits must be on it.

 

I think its a joke when people put Wlad and Vitali in the p4p top 10. P4p is meant to take height and weight out of the equation, and without that theyre both lacking

 

Alongside FMJ and Manny Pac they are the most dominant fighters in boxing though. You can't ignore that

 

This is where I stopped reading. Anyone who says this is the worst HW era doesn't know boxing and his points are not important.

 

Farmie is a legend in his time.

 

This post is a work of art. The perfect presentation of lack of boxing knowledge accompanied with ignorance and idiocy. Gratulation. :thumbsup

 

It's impossible for this HW era to be the worst. :good

 

On his record he doesn't get a look into the top 10. He gets top 20 though.

Head to head he is a monster, if you match every ATG HW 10 times each against all others he will emerge top 5 on the list at worst.

* Two losses only, both causes by injury, both fights stopped while he was leading on all cards.

* Has a combination of height, reflexes, ring generalship, chin, toughness, power and an awkward technique that is a stylistic nightmare for EVERY ATG. Lennox is the only one Vitali doesn't monster physically. Not only is Vitali bigger than any other ATG, but he is bigger and tougher than anyone any of them ever faced, and he is masterful at utilizing his size.

* He is huge, skillful, always in top shape, and always brings his A-game.

* He dominated his mediocre opposition more than any other ATG heavy. There are no close disputable decisions on Vitali's record. He doesn't drop four rounds to a game opponent before dispatching him, ever. All his mediocre opposition, he shuts them out on the scorecards while patiently wearing them down, and then stops them. That's his style, and it is going to be a huge task for any ATG to take him away from it, because Vitali's chin and recovery powers are both first rate. There are no Billy Conns or Doug Joneses on Vitali's record, not a one.

* There are no fights where he was clearly one punch away from being KOed either. Other ATGs cannot claim this. Bert Cooper had a prime Evander Holyfield slobbering all over himself. Henry Cooper had Ali in big trouble. The only guy to shake Vitali up was Lennox, but Vitali ate everything Lewis threw at him even when all bloodied up.

So the bad news for Klit haters is that they only have two things to snipe at. Two losses due to injury, and a weak resume. But even without looking at other HW ATG's fights against fellow ATGs, we see that Vitali is far more consistently dominant against average to good opposition than any of the Alis, or Foremans, or Holyfields were. Not only that, but he presents a physical and stylistic challenge that none of them ever faced before.

And the X factor.

A lot of ATGs are black Americans who never really boxed against Eastern Europeans. They never faced a giant with an iron chin and an obvious mean streak, who looks like a 6'8" Terminator, comes from the Soviet bloc and has a 95% KO percentage. That's something they are not used to and have no experience with, and the unknown is always a little frightening.

This is another unknown factor. I think that Vitali intimidates some past ATGs (some, not all) due not only due to his size, but also because of his foreign nature and his air of authority. He certainly won't be falling for Ali's trash talk, and he won't be scared of George Foreman, in fact he will look down at Foreman and smirk, which will be an entirely new and uncomfortable experience for George.

:hat

 

For the last time, 'they' are not a single entity.
Vlad could claim dominance whilst Vitali was retired, but since Vitali has returned Wlad's claim of dominance is a little weaker due to the fact that he won't fight the number 2 fighter (who also holds a prestigious strap) in his division, and the fact that his brother has beaten two of the more credible contenders to have emerged from the States in recent years (neither of whom I thought had any hope of besting Wlad).
And i'm not advocating that they should ever fight - somethings are more important than boxing.

Furthermore Vitali is in no way dominant. He is merely a titlist. Just like David Haye.

 

Fail!!!

 

Well my list is always changing, but off the top of my head here is a rough order, I'm sure that Vitali might fit in somewhere, def in top 20:

Top 5: Clearly the best, dominated their era, fought all contenders and had great accomplishemts:

Ali
Marciano
Louis
Foreman
Frazier

Top 10: Dominate champions, but had obvious faults or weak resumes:

Holyfield
Lewis
Tyson
Dempsey
Holmes

Top 15: Good champions, just not Top 10 IMO:

Jefferies
Johnson
Liston
Charles
Patterson

Top 20: Outstanding Heavyweights, but maybe never actually got the title or it was a short lived reign.

Baer
Langford
Tunney
Norton
Wolcott

 

Ali - CUT THEM OFF.

1.10.1975, Manilla.

Boxing isn't only about numbers, start watching more fights instead of reading boxrec stats

 

:good

Every ****ing idiot arguing Vitali is not an ATG brings up the 2 losses on his record, claiming he lost his biggest fights, acting as if they were devastating losses.

He was winning both fights before freak injuries forced an end to both bouts. If not for those injuries he most likely would still be undefeated. For sure he would've annihilated Byrd. It's a joke anyone using that fight against him.