This is why VITALI is NOT even a top 20 ATG

Originally Posted by iceman71

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dont matter...they are LOSSES....he could not answer the bell, and some would say as much as he was beating byrd, he could have stayed away for 3 more rounds...you know, like ALL TIME GREATS do, fight through adversity...ali-broken jaw for 11 rounds? legit injury or not, he quit where others didnt...danny williams arm was falling off him and he didnt quit....just saying :think

so:

Roberto Duran isn't ATG - he quit against Leonard

Ali isn't ATG - he wanted to quit against Frazier and was pushed to fight by his trainer

Sonny Liston isn't ATG - he quit against Ali

Mike Tyson isn't ATG - he bited and quited against Holyfield

etc. etc. etc.

you're an idiot and you don't understand boxing. Maybe you have 90000 boxing or chicken boxing vids I don't know. Even if you say that you have 5 million boxing videos and watched all of them, I doubt that you would understood what you saw.

 

These ATG lists are ridiculous. Who is anyone the **** to know who's the best. They're all good. Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holy, Bowe, Golota, Lewis, Klitschko, Adamek... they're all good.

 

I enjoy that kind of rankings. You can see onother persons point of view and relocate yours when there is serious discussion included.

 

'Freak injuries'? He had his face torn to pieces by legitmate punches.
As for the likelyhood of him remaining unbeaten, I could easily speculate that he was on his way to being knocked the **** out by an ancient, fat Lewis.
He lost by TKO. It don't matter that he was ahead on points at the time. Deal with it.

 

......freddy roach said wlad hit harder than tyson...........he knows a thing or 2 about boxing...!

 

................vitali by tko in round 8 against lewis.......

 

Theres no shame in losing to Lennox Lewis, Vitali is a great fighter but it just seems like these last few batches of opponents for both Klitchkos have been pretty weak for title fights.

 

Sure. Whatever son.

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Lewis TKO 6

 

I think Vitali still has something to do in his career to become ATG. He needs to achieve a little more, at least.

Achievements combined with outstanding performances against tough opposition is what creates an ATG boxer. Vitali is still lacking a little bit of both. Wlad is doing well on the achievements department but still lacks on the performance department.

Vitali does have about eight good wins on his record, but not one great. I'd rate him today in history right about where Bowe and Baer are, but definetelly not ATG.

To me, there are not that many ATG out there in history, just these (the order gets tricky after the first 3):

1. Joe Louis
2. Ali
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Tyson
5. Holmes
6. Marciano
7. George Foreman
8. Sonny Liston
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Jack Johnson
11. Harry Wills
12. Joe Frazier
13. Jack Dempsey
14. John L. Sullivan


Tunney is a light heavy ATG, that's why he is not on this list.

 

Vitali was very willing to answer the bell in the Lewis fight. . .he wasn't allowed to.

 

deal:deal

 

:rofl