This is why Wilder shouldnt face Whyte in the UK.

40 minimum, so you thinking AJ is going to take a pay cut?? Why would he?? He doesn't need the Wilder fight at all There are plenty of big fights for him to have without bothering with Wilder...

Fury, Haye, Whyte 2, Parker will all do at least as well a Wilder so AJ is pretty much set up. He is getting 20 million purses to fight his mandatory so imagine what those other fights will do for him ..

The only reason why Wilder carries on about AJ all the time is he is Wilders golden egg and Wilder only won't fight Whyte because he is too dangerous and could affect that payout Wilder is dreaming about..

He has become so obsessed with it that he is behaving irrational and now as AJ seem to have become a much higher level of profitability Wilder now struggles to accept that (bit like you really).

The reality is this fight most likely won't unless Wilder realises where he stands...

 

Joshua has been making Wilder look a fool from the get go - waxing mutual opponents far easier and easier, nabbing a title in half the time, earning loads of cash, becoming a big star in his home country, defeating an ATG in a memorable pass the torch fight.

Wilder has literally done none of that and now by virtue of being a molly coddled American, he and his dips hit promoter DiBella think they call the shots. How wrong they are.

 

I've only seen wlad vs fury 1 (Only fight I know about) and the only certainty that cab be said about that fight was it was a very competitive affair, but in the end they ended up competing for who could muster up the least offense while both made certain there were NO WAY either would get hurt in any way.

That pathetic event made fury look every bit as bad as it made wlad look. The difference between winning and losing any of the ALL DULL rounds was 1 OR 2 (at the absolute most) glancing or totally missed flailing jabs

 

Wilder should not fight anyone except winos from the alley because he can't fight! 5 voluntary title defenses in a row! Wilder is a damned fraud! Joshua would knock him out, that's why Wilder will not go near Joshua!!!

 

You're confusing the percentage with the overall purse. AJ would be set to get higher ppv sales and venue sales, plus a larger split than what he got against Klitschko. That adds up to more money. Those other fights are easier money and that's what you fanboys really want for AJ. Those fights you listed are showcase fights, not the real one vs Wilder. You should slap yourself for even mentioning Fury right now, like he's anywhere closer to 2 years out from fighting. You're obviously not a real fan of boxing if you don't want to see the best most dangerous fight each other.

 

Do you see it? Do you see what you just did?

You put the words into the mouth of @Mr Icaman by assuming he doesn't want to see Joshua/Wilder so you can criticise him for it as a cheap method of devaluing his argument against your favourite fighter. In reality @Mr Icaman said nothing of the sort (like most fans I'm sure he'd looove to see Joshua highlight reel that Alabama clown), he merely pointed out that anything over 40% is very generous to Wilder and Joshua has no need to cave into his ridiculous 50/50 demands, and to back up that argument he used the myriad of other potentially lucrative fight options available to Joshua.

Nothing Wilder is doing or has done even remotely suggests that he will bring more money to the table than either of Whyte (oddly becoming a fan favourite + they have history), Haye (still a huge draw) or Parker (willing to raise his UK profile) in the UK. And you know this, so instead of conceding this point you spin his argument in a way that sets you up to attack it.

I wouldn't stand so close to Wilder if I were you, I would hate to see the gale force generated by his windmills blow apart your carefully constructed strawman.

 

Stop putting up with the BS blocking these fights. Very simple, if he wanted to see the fight right away he'd call for it. Instead these AJ/Eddie Hearn fanboys go along with any bs reason to support avoiding the fight. Your credibility is shot anyways even typing the words that Parker raised his profile with that mediocre performance. I doubt you'd stand next to anything that isn't 100% safe, maybe this sport isn't for you. I don't have that problem.

 

You people? What the eff do you mean by that?,and I'm no fan boy. My 2 favourite boxers of all time are Hagler and Iron Mike Tyson and I'm a Brit,and yes, I'm old enough to have seen both their careers back in the day.

I'm so dismissive and disrespectful of Beoncey 'Bambi legs' Windmiller because he is a delusional a hole and a total ****ing disgrace to the WBC belt and heavyweight title in general. He does everything humanly possible to weasel his way out of a stiff challenge while spouting BS about being the best HWT ever,dissing the likes of Louis, Ali and Tyson in the process.

As regards his fan base and relevance he can't even attract flies. If I was in AJ's position l'd be like "You know what Eddie, let that shite bag stew, I'll fight him when I'm good and ready and I'm calling the shots...**** him and and **** Al Haymon". AJ's got plenty of 20m dollar per pop options to scoop up before he crushes Bong.

 

That doesn't change the fact that your original post was a strawman so painfully obvious you might as well have dressed it up as a scarecrow. You pulled a personal assumption out of thin air concerning what Mr Icaman wants with no logic behind it at all so you could tee off on that projection instead of actually trying to counter his points about how Wilder is the clear and obvious B side. That's schoolboy debating.
I also take issue with the fact that you assume these posters are actively supporting the fight being avoided. It may be true for some posters but not all of them are necessarily supporting it, some are just saying that by demanding 50/50 (which is unreasonable no matter which way you cut it) Wilder is the one responsible for putting the brakes on this fight, not Joshua/Hearn. You can validate this argument quite easily just by comparing the two fighters recent purses and attendance figures, it won't make for pretty viewing.

[Sighs] Here we go again... Seriously man, stop misinterpreting arguments in a way that is easy for you to shoot down. If you can't structure a coherent counterargument in your next post then please don't bother replying. Allow me to explain why you're wrong... again...

Performance =/= Profile. Just because it wasn't a vintage performance from Parker doesn't mean it didn't garner recognition. I didn't say more people rate Parker highly in the UK, did I? I just said that by actually fighting in the UK there are more people in Britain who know who Parker is than Wilder. Raising one's profile is not necessarily synonymous with increasing one's esteem. <-- That right there is the assumption you have made, and it's a daft one. Parker just so happened to come over to the UK to fight the cousin of arguably the most notorious boxer in the country, and the consequent result was talked about for weeks after. All that increases the amount of people who know Parker's name. How many casual British fans are going to be talking about Wilder/Stiverne 2? ****ing. Zero.

What does that even mean, and of what relevancy is it to the economics of Joshua vs. Wilder? If you want to call me a p**** then just go ahead and say it, don't beat around the bush like that. But know that using personal attacks in an argument is yet another fallacy in it's own right that will only further discredit your attempts to participate in a discussion, not that I'd expect you to understand what ad hominem means...

 

You know what makes for great fights?

When you don't know who the winner will be.

Right now we all know who that's going to be, and it isn't Wilder. He owes it to us to even the odds a little better. Smashing Whyte up easier than Joshua did would go a long way to doing that.

 

You think AJ would win?

 

Eddie Hearn pissing off Lou DiBella wont help making these fights either

 

I really don't think Whyte has earned a shot at Wilder and I don't feel like Wilder is obligated to fight Whyte before AJ. But here is the deal. Wilder is pinned into a corner with no options really. Ortiz failing that drug test really screwed DW. It was his one option. Let's look at them.

Fury? If he comes back next year like he says he is going gear up for the monster pay day vs AJ not DW. It's a shame he had to rematch Wald I do think he was going fight DW if he didn't have to rematch Wald. Would have kept his motivation probably.

AJ? Balls in AJ's court and he doesn't seem to want it anytime soon.

Parker? This would be Wilder's out. But Parker has a big pay day and safer fight in Bellew or he will get AJ before Wilder. AJ is Parkers payday, he not facing Wilder before.

Jarrell Miller? I like this fight but it would be a lot better if Miller could snag a belt first or get a big win. I think this is still a year or 2 away. Interesting fight if both keep winning. Not realistic soon I don't think.

Haye would want AJ before Wilder. Bellew admitted DW too big, besides he wouldn't get credit for that. Unless he can convince Wald out of retirement for a Vegas fight anyone else is a step backwards.

So even though I don't think Whyte deserves it, I think it's the play. It will be a career high pay day. Gets the UK fans attention. And if he gets him out before AJ would really put pressure on AN to make the fight. Whyte is 3rd in the WBC ranking right now, he will be the mando after Ortiz is dropped and Stiverne is out of the way. Think his hand is forced here. Unless Parker comes through which I HIGHLY Doubt.