This just proves how good GSP is.

That is an absurd notion.

Fighters improve. I guarantee the first day fedor trained MMA he got tapped or beat up or whatever.

Today, right now, Silva is as well rounded and good as anybody in the world. He might not be better than Fedor, Torres, GSP, but he is on the same level.

Do you think Forrest didn't want to take that fight to the ground? He was dropped in what, 90 seconds? Ever think maybe he was trying to set up the takedown? After he got dropped he was done, he was just trying to survive. Anderson Silva isn't somebody you can just take down with a shot from distance, especially if you are not a great wrestler which forrest is not, you need to set it up, that means you may have to be in striking range for a while. That while was too long, after the first knockdown the fight was over.

 

Clearly you do. Look up "best"

Best does not mean perfect, it means better than everybody else. The best does not have to be perfect, just better than everybody else.

 

True. It still doesn't change the fact that the so called "best EVER"...and i can't stress that enough...best " E.V.E.R " ... Never would've lost against the likes of Takase or Chonan.

We can always argue and say that Chonan pulled one of the best sub in the sport's history or that he was lucky... Maybe... (Chonan wasn't getting owned prior to the sub though..)... Unfortunately , what also happened against Takase was no fluke.

Yes it was 5 years ago...but it's not the point. When we're talking about the best E.V.E.R , we're not just talking about the present... we're talking about a career as a whole...

Penn himself , who's often reffered to as the best rounded ever (or best mma participant) doesn't qualify.

I'm not bashing on Anderson , i just can't stand exaggerations...Or maybe , i don't understand the meaning of "best ever".

 

If you dont understand the meaning of best ever, you should have just stated that.

Well then Kendall Grove is the best ever

Are you drunk?

 

Ok , then i don't understand the association of "best ever"...I thought i did but you guys are proving me otherwise.

 

You don't

Best ever doesn't mean "has always been the best" it means "better right now than anybody else has ever been at any time"

Micheal Jordan wasn't the best when he was in college, but he was the best ever when he was in his prime.

 

Why are you talking about Torres and Fedor here ? I'm not even trying to compare Anderson to any of these guys.
Like i said earlier...Nobody qualifies as "the best rounded ever"....

There's nothing absurd here.
I don't think i'm trying to be a smart ass or anything but with all honesty i don't have the same understanding of what you guys label "best ever".

My brain doesn't compute.

Let's see , in the sport we have Fedor , Anderson , GSP ...and a bunch of other very well rounded fighters... but all have their flaws.


You have to wait....Wait till all these guys have retired...See what they have achieved , then compare.

We can sometimes do exceptions. With Tiger Woods for ex , or Federer..but that's because they have already pulverised records.

 

The "best ever in MMA" title goes to whoever just KO'd Forrest.

The linear champions are; Gumby, Techno Viking, Fred Sanford, Spidey....

What happens in other fights is irrelevant.

 

Doesn't make sense to me. Michael Jordan is the "best ever"...now that everything is said and done....When he was in his prime , he was "the best" at that time... But not the best "ever"... Because no one knew for sure how his career would end.

To me , "best ever" means unequaled in terms of achievements.

For instance , Aleksander Karelin is the best "ever" in his discipline.

 

That is because your ****ing brain cannot compute what the word "best" means.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...NreJvfIC&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

Best means "better than everybody else"

Best does not mean perfect.

Best ever means better right now than anybody has been before, not better than anybody ever will be.

You are simply too dumb to understand a very simple concept.

 

Griffin was tkoed by Rashad prior to his fight against Anderson. Does he also gets to be the best "ever" ?

 

What the **** do you mean everything is said and done? Is basketball not being played?

Karelin was the best ever when he was competing, because there had never been anybody better. At some point it is theoretically possible for somebody to come along and be better than Jordan or Karelin, then that person would become the best ever; Jordan and Karelin would no longer be the best ever, but they will always have been the best ever at that time.

This is such a simple concept, is English not your first language? If so its understandable, if it is, you are an idiot.

 

Ok , let's move step by step...

BEST means "better than everybody else"... Ok got it.

"Best ever" means "better right now than anybody has been before"... That's where i have difficulties....

if we're just talking about the "best" right now... i have no objections (personally GSP is # 1 though but that's another issue )...

But i have a problem understanding the part where you also associate "than anybody has been before". Because there's already better...And this implies that anderson's career is already ahead of everybody in the sport. Which isn't the case.

Right now , i consider Anderson to be the best mw in the ufc...and that's it. I also consider him to be the top 3 "best rounded" in the sport. (in other words , top 3 P4P )...

But like i've also said times and times again...Even the concept of P4P is absurd when you think about it.

 

I'm not saying he is the best ever. I'm saying his loses 5 years ago have no bearing right now on if he is the best ever.

To be the best ever doesn't mean you have always been the best ever, it means that right now you are better than anybody else has been at any point in time. Two loses years ago do not change how good of a fighter a person is right now.

If he is better at this second in time than anybody else has been at any second in time, he would be the best ever.

 

Boxingcar, you took this quote best ever and youve ran with it i dont know how far.

Then you posted videos that had nothing to do with the price of cup of tea in China.

Let it go.

OK Silva is arguably the best "not best rounded" fighter ever.