This just proves how good GSP is.

English is not my language , and no Karelin was not the "'best ever" when he was competing since it was (for example)...impossible to know , back in 1988 , that he would go on to win the 1992 Barcelona olympics...just like it was impossible to know back in 1992 that he would also win gold in Atlanta's olympic games (in 1996)...

How can you tell if someone is the best ever before knowing his career achievements ?

 

He wasn't the best ever the whole time he was competing. He was the best ever once he reached the point that he was clearly better at a certain point in time than anybody else had ever been.

Once it was clear he was better than anybody before him, he was the best ever.

 

Not trying to be an ass... I just wanted to make things clear.
For instance , right now...we can say that Schumacher is the best F-1 pilot ever (based on his achievements)..However, it was impossible to know if it was the case back in the 1994 championships...

 

Ok , now i totally understand...And i 100% agree.

So , now that you're admitting this fact...
How can anybody conclude that it is the case with anderson silva ?
He doesn't qualify yet.

One who's on his way is probably Fedor Emelianenko (already considered as the goat)... still , we have to see what will happen before he retires. (maybe he'll lose his next fights at strikeforce , maybe not )...

But "best ever"...means what it means. And based on your response , i have to conclude that it is impossible to label Anderson as such. UNLESS , he already pulverised every other mma participant's achievements.

But he hasn't....Not yet.

 

with a jab, no less.

penn was blown up at 170 and he had no stamina and wasn't all that strong. he belongs at 155.

 

but gsp is an absolutely incredible fighter. you can say almost all the same things about him as you can about silva, except for the fact that he doesn't have that concussive power. the guy makes everyone else look like nothing. i rank him behind anderson as p4p #1. fedor would be at # 3 simply because he hasn't done enough lately to be in front of gsp.

 

The relatively marginal size different between GSP and Penn does not account for the vast different in skill sets.

If Penn was so remarkably skillful, then it wouldn't have been so one sided, as it was. GSP is physically stronger, smarter, and most importantly, more skillful in every area of Mixed Martial Arts.

 

agreed...as long as we're talking about the best right now...and not the best "ever"... But yeah gsp is amazing too.

 

You do realize this is the same GSP that is only smaller than Alves and Fitch at WW. The same man who theyre pitting albeit ignorantly against Anderson Silva. Penn is a good 20lbs of muscle smaller than GSP.

Also Penn is better at BJJ than GSP. If everything else is the same a bigger man always beats a smaller man, surely you know this.

 

yeah gsp is a monster,i cant wait to see his next fight

 

I do know this. And it's not always, but the bigger person will have a significant advantage assuming the skill level is equal.

My point is that had the skill level been exactly the same, the course of the fight would have been a bit more even. But it wasn't. Not even close. It was one sided to an absurd degree. That is not caused by size alone. There is also a relatively big skill gap there.

And one could suggest that GSP is not as good at straight Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, but that's not really the point. BJJ for MMA is a completely different art (in a loose sense) then BJJ for grappling competitions. Of which, I'm certain, that GSP is vastly superior.

 

Agreed.

And i'd also add..to further prove this point.... Just watch Penn Vs machida.. ...That fight , wasn't as one sided as GSP vs Penn and yet Machida was even bigger than GSP...

 

You are completely a joke if you think the Machida of 5 years ago is the same guy now. Are you putting us on?

Also James BJ has better MMA "BJJ" than GSP..You can do the mother of all polls, if you dont believe.

 

Polls (particularly here) won't tell the whole story. Again, size is not an enormous factor in grappling. It's essentially pure technique. As we saw, quite clearly, at UFC 94 Georges had, by far, the superior technique on the groud. That difference is not created by 15 pounds of weight (muscle or otherwise). It's thousands of hours honing skills and techniques from the best in the world and most innovative.

Don't confuse my meaning to say that because GSP has better Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for MMA to mean that B.J.'s Jiu Jitsu for MMA is poor. It's phenomenonal. It's just not as good as Georges'.

(And yes, on that we can agree. The Lyoto that beat B.J. about 5 years ago is not even in the same realm as the Lyoto of today.)

 

Well again, thats pretty damn stupid.

Size matters. GSP outweighed Penn by nearly 20lbs in that fight, not to mention the huge difference in strength.

Penn is just as dominant if not more dominant in his respective division which is a hell of alot deeper than the one GSP is competing in.

I love GSP to death but he didnt win because he was more skilled. He won because he was bigger.

Is Lesnar the most skillful fighter in the HW division? Hell no, he is the biggest though and thats why hes got a strap.