This man defeats Mayweather at every weight category from 135-154!

60% of that video was davie moore damn rigfht it was. he didnt do crap against leonard but quit, like a sissy because he was about to get knocked out. sugar ray put a too sweet beating on duran so bad he never receovered after no mas and was never a factor or threat in any division for the rest of his career.

 

Yes, and De Jesus isn't even black! He's Puerto Rican.

 

You know fuk all, you're just another boxrec/wiki bum, Leonard stated Caevas if Duran's management did'nt take the November date & it was'nt the case that SRL would fight Cuevas on NOV 26th, he fight him when it suited SRL, it was a case of moving on with the SRL $$$$$ express & Duran stuck with a belt & no big mega $$$$ defence. it' did'nt matter who SRL fought, he was always the main $$$$ man, he called the shots & he even wanted to fight Caevas instead of Hearns, but public opinion & scribe uproar is what made the fight happen with Hearns. Once that fight was signed, why do you think Leonard jumped straight up to 154 to fight Kalule for the WBA title! Insurence policy, just in case he lost & with a 154 belt in his handbag he could still shout the odds.

You no total zip about what went on back then.:deal

 

Son, what grade are you in ?

 

Your problem is that you expound without regards to the FACTS. Barkley became the WBC champion when he KO'd Thomas Hearns, who was at that time, the WBC champ. And so, when Duran beat him, Barkley WAS in fact, the champion.

No. While Tommy's greatness was mostly at WW and Jnr MW, he did win most of his bouts at MW, after a shakey start in an alltime great bout against one of the greatest MWs of all time, eventually becoming MW champ.

In adddion, he went North of 160, winning SMW and LHW title bouts and so Barkley's win over Hearns, to become champion, is at the very least comparable to a GGG win over Ward.

No, it doesn't show that. It shows that the Duran fight took a lot out of him, and besides, his next fight was a Majority decision narrow loss to Nunn, hardly evidence that he was a level below.




The fact is, for a guy who had his best years at LW and by his LW record, ranked as one of the greatest LWs of all time, to be fighting for a MW title at 38, and winning it, ( in front of a ringside audience that included most of boxing's royalty of the day), was a great, great win, that far exceeds any win Floyd has on his resume to date.

 

Dude...

1. After Hagler lost to SRL, there was no one guy that we looked at as the MW Champ in the aftermath. There were a few scattered belt holders, but thats it. Thats why I said Barkley was never THE Champ at 160.

2. Hearns had NO great accomplishments at 160. None. Its really that simple. Yeah he picked up a belt. So what? Who did he beat for it?

3. Im not being dismissive of Duran's legacy. Im pointing out how you make stuff up just to prop up his legend.

 

History does not support what you just stated.

Let's just look at the timeline here:

- Leonard/Duran took place on June 20th, 1980
- Cuevas/Hearns was signed approximately a week later June 27th, 1980.
- The Duran/Leonard rematch was signed in September

Now, please explain to us how threatening to fight a flatlined-by-Hearns-a-month-earlier Cuevas in November was used as actual leverage to 'force' Duran to take the rematch?

Please explain how Duran was 'stuck' without a big name/big money opponent less than a month after Tommy Hearns just stamped his name as the other WW champ and there are articles of Duran saying he wants $15Mil to fight Hearns (after a Leonard fight - Link HERE) and there are also articles of Hearns calling out Duran after beating Cuevas (Link HERE).

All that 'wikibum' talk don't phase me. Post anything that backs up what you claim. Show and prove, or kick rocks.

I'll wait.

 

Its really not even that deep though.

Leonard said take the deal now as is, or the next offer will not be as generous.

Duran's team believed him, for whatever reason, so they took the deal.

Now they are trying to make it seem like they were duped and their hands were forced. No you werent... An offer was presented and you took it. Duran knew full well he was a fat slob when he was given the offer. He still signed it.

The money on the table was more important to them than anything else.

 

So ?

There were no 'true' champions at HW when Marciano retired. Or Lewis.

A new lineage got started. And the WBC (at the time the more credible of the two title sanctioning bodies) restarted the line and Hearns was the new man. And Barkley beat him. So Barkley was as much the champ as any other man at the time.

The fact that he had no 'great' achievements is irrelevant to the fact that he had achievements above and below the level. He did not remain there long enough as the desired fights were, after a time, further up (Virgil Hill).

It's not like 160 was a step too far (as for Oscar Delahoya).

Floyd had no great accomplishments at 140. And yet, had someone beaten him there, it would be a great win, based on Floyd's total accomplishments at 140, as well as below and above.

Bull****. There's nothing in any of my posts that's made up. You just chose to put a different spin on matters to diminish Duran's achievements.

"---to prop up his legend" ?

His legend doesn't need any propping up. It speaks for itself.

As i've pointed out, he has several wins that are, individually, superior to Floyd's entire resume.

And that includes his capture of Barkley's title at 38 and 160.

 

If you want to get into what's more important, consider the two fights, Montreal and New Orleans, and ask which is more important.

In Montreal, both men were ready, primed, pumped and at their best.

And Duran prevailed.

 

Depends on how you define 'more important'.

The phase 'No Mas' has been forever etched into the sports lexicon. 30 years later, they're not doing documentaries on the 'Brawl in Montreal'.

Duran won a close first fight. He was HUMILIATED in the second one that is still being wondered beyond boxing circles.

Again, depends on what is 'important' to you.

 

Most would judge "best against best."



That's why the overwhelming majority of observers have Duran in their top ten and SRL a good ten places or more, back.

 

It must be well past your bed time, son.

 

If he (Floyd) did take the the fight (big if) imho he would just edge it in both 12&15 round bouts, learnt never bet against FMjr. Of subject, could anyone plz tell me who's showing the pacquiao vs bradley 2 fight in the uk or will it have to be a streaming job lol. Any help would be much appreciated, thankyou.

 

Floyd lost to Castillo and yet he beats 6ft 1 Paul Williams who has an 84 inch reach and throws a 100 punches a round .

Do you really think Floyd low ass workrate is going to get him a win over a fighter who NEVER stops letting his hands go and NEVER gasses .

Floyd would never had a chance of beating Williams , which is a reason he would never dare mention his name .

Punisher would be way too damn active for him . Floyd would have no answer for his volume punching .