This Ngannou fellow

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Wig, Jul 8, 2023.


  1. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whilst that punching machine had better head movement than AJ, fury has better head movement than both.

    this guy looks like a big static slugger, fury should be able to manoeuvre him about with little bother.
     
  2. SeanB1

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    I'm not sure tbh my friend. If he catches them they go. But if they box he won't. Remember I bet on Audley to beat Haye so my reliability on betting is as reliable as mystic meg....
     
  3. Mark Anthony

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    Francis has no boxing experience or skill, Chisora will batter him.
     
  4. Deew

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    Ngannou has won big.

    Saudi money from Fury fight, huge PFL paydays and equity in PFL
     
  5. TMLT87

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    Hes a big athletic guy with power (enough power that I believe he'd be an above average puncher in boxing too, although his power wouldnt be comic book character level like it is in MMA) and he does seem to have a solid chin too. But his gas tank isnt great and he is a pretty sloppy, wild puncher. I feel like if you put him in there with guys like Browne, Miller, Kownacki, Martin, Helenius, Washington, old Pulev, Breazele, Molina etc he'd probably win some, but obviously hes zero threat to Fury.
     
  6. MAD_PIGE0N

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    He has some cheesy story about how poor he was, escaped to France and was training while homeless... Some cheesy Hollywood scenario.


    Yes, roided to the core against several faded ex-tops. He has no cardio, no grappling technique, zero IQ and average boxing. He has power, that's all.

    Who could he beat in the boxing ring - I can't tell, probably nobody from the current and the recent top. Probably can do as Wilder did, but at least Wilder has speed and cardio.
     
  7. TMLT87

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    I had multiple people arguing with me on the boxing forum that Dave easily sleeps Ngannou in boxing the other day lol. Also that Steve Cunningham punches harder....
     
  8. Redbeard7

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    He'd destroy the Povetkin that Whyte fought in the rematch and he'd beat Allen. He may well lose to old Pulev or Franklin because he lacks stamina and experience in amateur or professional boxing (though he has 14-15 years experience practicing boxing and MMA striking, including sparring the likes of Joyce) but he's far more dangerous with a single punch, far more aggressive, very unorthodox, wilder and bigger. I don't think Ngannou has that much heart but he has at least a decent chin and he'd believe in his chances vs Fury more than Pulev or Franklin would (partly due to ignorance of the levels in boxing) and would probably try harder to win, he sees himself as a champion rather than a gatekeeper, with nothing to lose and everything to gain. He's a 7/1 underdog vs Fury, whereas Pulev and Franklin would be closer to 20/1. He's unironically more dangerous than most of the better fighters that Joshua beat, perhaps top 5 in that regard along with Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte and Ruiz 2.

    We don't see too many MMA fighters cross over to boxing but Greg Hardy (a much lower level MMA fighter and far less capable striker than Ngannou, with a weak chin) recently partook in a series of one rounders against journeyman boxers under boxing rules. While he was very crude, the 320+ lbs Hardy showed better power than all of the other heavyweights involved, including Michael Hunter:

    https://boxrec.com/en/tcl-pro/870002

    5'10 MMA journeyman Mark Hunt pushing 50 can also punch a bit with the big gloves:

    https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/490827
     
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  9. Redbeard7

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    I also don't think that Fury will grossly underestimate Ngannou as some have suggested. Chisora 3 was a known quantity, not dangerous for Fury and Fury still came in decent enough shape at this stage of his career, 269 lbs. Ngannou by contrast is an unknown quantity, a champion fighter with a striking base (albeit in another sport), with size and very likely speed and power that Chisora doesn't have. So on an instinctual level he's harder to underestimate. Plus there's the potential (however unlikely) for Ngannou to ruin Fury's legacy and even bring the sport of boxing into disrepute (when was the last time a heavyweight champion was beaten by an 0-0 boxer?), which wasn't there to anything like the same degree with Chisora, who Fury had already beaten twice and who was a former world title challenger with 45 pro fights. So Fury should be reasonably sharp here.

    It will be interesting to see if Ngannou does better than Dillian Whyte (a low bar admittedly). It will also be interesting to compare Ngannou's boxing skillset with Wilder's.
     
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  10. Mark Anthony

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    Whyte would destroy Nganou, he`s slow as hell.
     
  11. TMLT87

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    Hes faster than Whyte while being significantly heavier. Clearly a superior overall athlete. Lets not forget Whyte switched to boxing as an adult too after being a nothing special kickboxer who also dabbled in MMA.
     
  12. Mark Anthony

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    Ngannou`s punches are slow.
     
  13. Redbeard7

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    I didn't mention Whyte as a hypothetical Ngannou opponent but Whyte's not exactly a speedster and I have my doubts about whether Whyte could take this shot:

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  14. TMLT87

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    Dont think his punches are any slower than Whytes tbh. Whyte is the more skilled boxer and I would favour him boxing rules but I would not be shocked at all if Ngannou gave him way more trouble than most people would expect. Whyte was never that good to begin with, and now his chin is most likely cracked big time and we all know his history with eating uppercuts, and that Ngannou uppercut on Reem was probably harder than the ones that flatlined him.
     
  15. Mark Anthony

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    Whyte would have landed his vaunted hook well before this crude hay maker would land.