This one is for ALL the marbles...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by achillesthegreat, Aug 27, 2007.


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  1. Piffer

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  2. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lineage:

    Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry....

    Super Middleweight lineage comes from Murray Sutherland, it went Sutherland-Park-Obelmejias-Baek-Tiozzo-Cordoba-Nunn-Little-Liles-Mitchell-Girard

    Girard moved up to 175lbs, thus your lineage is broken.

    Five years later the #1 contender and #2 contenders for the vacant Championship meet and Joe Calzaghe is your Super Middleweight Champion of the World.
     
    TBooze, Aug 27, 2007
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  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of course you can, you ignore it...
     
    TBooze, Aug 27, 2007
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  4. A-50

    A-50 Active Member Full Member

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    I thought Calzaghe was taller than 5'11?
     
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  5. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Joe Calzaghes first title fight was going to be against an all time top 10 168 pounder - Steve Collins! When Steve Collins pulled out, he fought ANOTHER top 10 P4P. The top 168 pounder of his time wouldn't fight him - Sven Ottke. Hopkins and Jones didn't entertain the idea of fighting him, even when Hopkins was offered a career high pay day.

    Now Calzaghe is the strong champ and the young guns need to go through him for recognition, thus he is building his legacy on them.
     
    achillesthegreat, Aug 27, 2007
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  6. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Ancestry has to be established, it isn't establish by the first champ. It can only be established via WBC-WBA unification.

    Historically, the IBF and WBO have no real substance. They are merely splinter groups from the WBA because of politics.
     
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  7. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    You are forgetting the NBA.

    The credit I give this crap? If you want to assess them historically, do it accurately.
     
    achillesthegreat, Aug 27, 2007
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  8. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    I think he is closer to 6 foot.
     
    achillesthegreat, Aug 27, 2007
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  9. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't worry. No one thinks you're "bad".
     
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  10. Musashi

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    Personally, I will only acknowledge The Ring title. That means, Calzaghe is currently the man at 168.

    The Ring is heads and shoulders above any ABC sanctioning body, and the only one whose opinion should count, no matter what "TBOOZE" thinks.

    The Ring IS NOT "alphabet crap". They have clearly established themselves as the only ranking organization that isn't for sale and actually has intelligent people establishing the rankings. The incident that happened 30 years ago with The Ring ratings is long since passed, and The Ring has seriously cleaned up since then. When was the last time an ABC group cleaned anything?
     
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  11. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Why do you consider The Ring title? It has a history of corruption and has gaps in its history.

    People need to stop coming up with new orgs to solve boxing. Imagine if every time we weren't happy with our government or found some corruption, we founded a new political party. Things would just get worse and worse.

    You say The Ring has cleaned up, but that is what we need to get done with the orgs that matter.
     
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  12. Relentless

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    still crying i see....... :| :| :|


    game-set-match:good
     
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  13. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Substance? Again you saying you rate cat crap and dog crap over mouse crap and cow crap...

    Murray Sutherand was the first World Champion at 168lbs; thus the lineage began, ending in 2001. Then Calzaghe won the vacant crown at Super Middleweight in 2006, with a victory over Lacy, that is all that matters, screw the WBA, WBC, Xyz and even The Ring...
     
    TBooze, Aug 27, 2007
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  14. PH|LLA

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    This is the biggest fight in a long long time.

    A monster fight!

    Finally we will have a real champion at SMW
     
    PH|LLA, Aug 27, 2007
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  15. Nawfal

    Nawfal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    holllllllllllyyy ****

    i cannot wait
     
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