This one is for ALL the marbles...

He cant grasp the ramifications of his statements.

Perhaps we should have a vote on who the best is in each division.

Popularity contest anyone?

Or maybe TBooze, you should just pick all the champions.

 

Exactly.

People have created a million ways of who is officially the best.

There is only ONE way to decide who really is the best - lineage. Everything else is opinion.

For example Casamayor and Diaz are currently just as good as each other. You can't argue differently. If one of them wants to set themself apart then they have to unify the WBC and WBA.

 

I would not use Wikipedia, but sadly yes I know alphabet crap history, what is not mentioned and indeed rubbed out by the WBA is the 1976 coup by Pepe Coredo that turned the WBA from a USA dominated organization to having a Latin American bias that we know and love today...

Like I said there is a connection between the NBA and WBA but the NBA and WBA pre 1976 (which was not far off just a letter change, with the America States still dominating and able to veto anything they did not like) just does not exist; the WBA of today was formed in 1976.

 

Lineage does not exist, as I stated the last lineage champion was Girard in 2001

 

Dont be naive.

 

Great picture, Achilles.

Lineage or no lineage, value or no, Kessler will beat JC, and then Bute for the unification of all 5 belts.

The Viking is coming... chanting the mantra: "Veni, vidi, vici".

 

Wikipedia is right. Feel free to verify it with any other sources.

It doesn't matter where the WBA is based or who runs it or who owns it.

The WBA comes from the NBA. This isn't debatable.

 

I already have

In this era you have just have to use your own personal criteria, you will never get a true World Champion recognized by everyone. Which is sad if you are a fanatic of the current product, I was spoilt in that my era the 80s...

That is why I think pro boxing should have a debate about going down the path of pro wrestling and manipulate everything to make superstars of fighters and get everyone on board to have one World Champion in each weight division. It would also take the pressure of the sport as far as people wanting it banned.

It would **** a lot of people off, but it would attract new younger fans and could improve the marketability of the sport in the long run...

 

There has been ONE real champ at 168.

Can you stop being silly now? I've explained it to you. Man up and admit you are wrong. Try and actually learn something from our debate.

 

Well where does it exist then?

 

In the established manner of combining the WBC and WBA titles. Once done, the belts essentially do not matter, then it becomes the man.

Its been common knowledge since the inception of the WBC and WBA.

 

:good - Just because people thinks less of the old belts, doesn't mean that phenomenon doesn't exist.

 

I'm rooting for Calzaghe against Kessler but I have to admit Kessler is historically the real champ.

 

There is one champ he is the Super Middleweight Champion of the World and his name is Joe Calzaghe...

Lineage is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet it's maker! 'it's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! It's bureaucratic processes are now 'istory! It's off the twig! It's kicked the bucket, it's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! IT IS A EX LINEAGE.

 

You have no substance to argument.

I've explained to you how it exists. Why are you being stupid?