This p4p Thing?

Some people get confused about P4P.

They think you can mythically match Mayweather and say, Lewis in a P4P matchup.
"What if Floyd was a heavyweight? Could he beat Lennox?"

Thing is, Floyd Mayweather as a heavyweight would be a totally different fighter. His style would probably be slightly different too.
Things like physics cannot be ignored, so in my mind it's impossible to match the two hypothetically.

The only way you can measure who is the better fighter P4P is by examining their records, quality of opponents, length of championship reign, strengths and weaknesses (not in respect to each other, but in regards that person in isolation) and other such factors.

 

Explain this to me like I'm 5 years old. I'm not getting what you're saying.

 

:good :good :good :good :good My thinking exactly.

 

So, when ranking all time great fighters, you rank Audley Harrison above Sugar Ray Robinson?

 

it is to determine who the best boxer on the planet is.

 

I dont think moving up the divisions is necessary, but if you move up and fight GREAT fighters at the higher weights then that counts for something. It further emphasizes greatness, win, lose or draw.

Most of these modern guys who jump around divisions becoming "five weight" and "six weight" titlists dont impress me as much as, say, Marvin Hagler, sticking at one weight and fighting the best at that weight.
But a guy like Floyd Mayweather Jr. is great because he demonstrates his skills in the ring against good fighters, been fighting world class fighters for about 10 years now. But he's not really any greater for jumping around the divisions, because he's not moving up and down to fight any GREAT fighters (not necessarily his own fault). I think he could have stayed at 130 and 135 and been considered just as great.

A guy who doesn't PUT ON ANY WEIGHT but still fights good fighters in higher weight classes needs to be given A LOAD OF CREDIT in pound-for-pound ratings, in my opinion.
Billy Conn weighed inside the light-heavy limit when he gave Joe Louis a tough fight - surely this counts for something. Sam Langford and others.

 

Harrison is a Heavyweight, Leonard was a Welterweight. Audley has a weak chin with decent skill as a Heavyweight, and Leonard was great as a Welterweight, but in a head to head matchup, Audley is far too big.

Do you understand pound for pound now? Buster Douglas would beat Roberto Duran, that doesn't make him a greater, more skilled boxer.

 

i think an overall pound for pound greatest doesnt work, its easier to break it down into weight classes. thats just my opinion. i dont think accomplishments always matter, they should weigh in, but with the generational gap, its hard to compare a modern fighter to an old school cat.

 

very true. its like the RJJ vs Robinson match up, everyone acts like Jones would get owned, but if it was at light heavy, Robinson would get stopped IMO, in more complete fashion then his retiring due to exhaustion against Maxim. Jones just to big with just as much if not more athleticism.