This PacMan hysteria has gotten out of hand...

Now don't get me wrong, I like PacMan and all, but this is getting ridiculous. First of all, too much has been made of him beating past-their-best fighters in Barrera and Morales. I'm not saying they were shot, but they were clearly on their way down.

Why do I think so? Because in their first fight, PacMan took on a unfocused Barrera and it took him 11 rounds to beat him. In their second fight, with Barrera being further removed from his best days, PacMan couldn't repeat his manner of victory even though a lot of people were saying he was a new and improved fighter.

Against Morales, he got beat by a faded legend who managed to pull one last great effort from his body. To say Morales was not past-his-best is ludicrous because ALL the wars he had certainly caught up with him in his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd fight with PacMan.

Against Marquez, he found 1 of the 3 Mexican greats who was still relatively fresh and the results were as clear as ever. He managed a draw in their first fight, and was given the "W" in their second, which many boxing fans and journalists claimed was given to the wrong man. To say that PacMan clearly won is absurd because as we all know, in boxing, "W's" can and are given to the wrong fighters on numerous occasions.

Although he beat DLH, I'll withhold my opinion because I still have suspicions that there is a hidden agenda to all of that.

Furthermore, to say he'll beat a Hatton or Mayweather at this point is downright irresponsible. Hatton is a physically strong fighter who not only is a brawler and naturally bigger, but he knows how to hold, and he is a better-than-average body puncher. Combine these assets and you have a fighter who on paper is something PacMan hasn't faced yet. This is someone who is going to force PacMan to fight going backwards and I predict would result in PacMan losing for the first time since the 1st Morales fight.

Mayweather would be a bigger, faster, and fresher version of Marquez. He is also considered by many to be the best defensive fighter today. PacMan hasn't improved to the point that his camp wants you to believe because if he had, he would have taken out the smaller, older Marquez. In that fight he showed he is still the one-two fighter we have all seen before. Mayweather would go on to stop PacMan due to an accumulation of punches.

PacMan has heart, pride, determination, and courage, but his fans and camp are not doing him a favor by giving him more credit than he deserves.

 

No, you **** off. This thread was intended for people who can read.

 

Well to be honest, he hasn't tested himself against others except for the recycled bunch of Morales, Barrera, and Marquez with the most recent being DLH.

It is rare for fighters to meet at their respective primes, but I was just pointing out that PacMan, in MY opinion, beat Barrera and Morales when they were past-their-physical primes. Not saying they were shot, but you can't say they were in tip-top form after their brutal wars they had prePac. In Marquez, he fought a fighter who was still well-preserved and who had not been in wars that took a toll on his body. I am also pointing out that in MY opinion, he beat Pac twice. I am also pointing out that just because the judges scored the second fight in Pac's favor doesn't mean that is the correct decision.

Anyhow, the reason I started this thread was to voice my opinion on Pac. I also started it because it was disturbing to read threads where people were pitting Pac against Cotto and having him win via UD. Although you should never say never in boxing, I find it ridiculous that people are underrating Cotto and overrating Pac. In MY opinion, Pac loses by KO to Cotto, Hatton, Mayweather, and Margarito and I would put big money where my mouth is in those fights. It's not that Pac isn't a great little fighter, it's just that people are getting a little carried away with all the hoopla.

 

So you are saying that Morales did not take a beating in his three wars with Barrera? Their 1st fight was a career shortening fight, and the last two did him no favors. Not to mention the other wars with In Jin Chi, Guty Espadas, Jesus Chavez, and Carlos Hernandez. So I beg to differ in that subject because there were obviously signs, however, none of the other fighters were able to capitalize it the way Pac did. None were recognized as having the "power" of Pac, plus those other fighters had approximately the same ring mileage as Morales.

Ditto for Barrera. And just for the record, I never said they were shot. I did say they were past-their-physical primes which is subject to interpretation.

Anyhow, thanks for your input.