This PacMan hysteria has gotten out of hand...

Barrera was Prime that in itself is enough for me.

This idiot saying Marco wasnt Prime is speaking out of his ass.

Heres a look at Barrera',Morales and Marquez last 5 fights before fighting Pacman.

BARRERA
Hamed Won UD
Sanchez Won TKO
Morales Won UD
Tapia Won UD
Kelley Won KO 4

Barrera was still way in his Prime.

MORALES
Chavez Won UD
Hernandez Won UD
Barrera Lost MD
Pacquiao Won UD
Raheem Lost UD

Morales had never been stopped even though he lost close fights to Barrera and Raheem but Pacman destroyed him. Then they all said Morales was shot.

MARQUEZ
John Lost UD
Jandeang Won TKO 7
Jaca Won KO 9
Barrera Won UD
Juarez Won UD

Now Marquez had just beat Barrera and a Prime Rocky Juarez.


Now no offense but Barrera was as Prime as you get as a fighter. And Pacman destroyed him.




Hamed

 

For the record Barrera after the 1st Pacman fight had just turned 30.

I wouldnt call that Past his Prime after he had just nailed Hamed Morales and Tapia.

He was the perfect age i feel. Most fighters when there 30 are a perfect age for the experiance has caught up with there talent and pyhsical parts of there Peaks.
It ****'s me off that a guy like Pacman comes along and there treating him Like Pavlik now.

Its a joke.

 

Well Morales did manage to win the first fight which was a little bit easier to score than both Marquez fights. You will see much improvement in Pacs game during the rematch.

 

Everybody that Pac has beaten were shot... after pac beats the living **** out of hatton he'll be shot too! lol

When everything is said and done pac will end up higher than the great PBF in ATG rankings.

 

He is a very good fighter but very overrated and JMM will always go against him.

 

Marquez and Morales are two different men and it's not like anyone clearly won Pacman/Marquez II.

 

And the THREAD STARTER CLAIMS he is a PACFAN!?!

You are entitled to your own opinion but you don't have to lie and
say you are a pac fan coz you are NOT! ok?!

 

only a few die-hard fans over-rate him in these forums. but generally, he is still under-rated by most boxing fans here.

 

JMM's resume compared to pac is ****! ****en overrated his ticket to stardom was his draw and lost to pac. True story... :deal

His notable wins were againts past prime MAB (got whooped and KD) and Grand Papa Casa! :yep

 

The funny thing is Barrera is going to the HOF
Morales is going to the HOF
Marquez will 90% im sure be going to the HOF
Dela Hoya will be going to the HOF


And the one thing they all have in common they got beaten by Pacman.

It doesnt mean **** if Morales was one fight past his best because we the true fans know for fact that Barrera who is better than Morales i feel got his ass handed to him by Pacman in his Prime.

We witnessed it.
We witnessed Pacman a 4/1 underdog against Dela Hoya hand Dela Hoya his worse ass whupping ever.

Its so funny this ****.

I hope Pacman beats the **** out of Hatton then Juan Diaz then PBF that might shut a few up.

 

Its not getting out of hand. Except for ridiculous threads like Pac vs Cotto, he deserves all the credit he is getting RIGHT NOW. A credit, mind you, which has looooooong been overdue ever since he beat MAB in 2003.

Lets face facts shall we, Pac is being UNderrated even now instead of overrated. From analyzing his wins to pitting him in fantasy matchups, Pac always get the short end of the stick. ALWAYS. People who give him full credit for his wins and objectively analyze his standing among mythical matchups are very rare in this forum. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Pac was, is and will continue to be underrated around here parts and there's nothing anyone can do anything about it.

No offense RingKing but I believe your being subjective with this "getting out of hand" stuff. What you seem to be doing is selectively picking out threads that seem to "overrate" Pac and use that as a reason to rant about him. While, at the same time, completely ignoring the many other threads that underrate Pac. And as far as those "past their prime" fighters that Pac beat. I agree with BoppaZoo, MAB in 2003 was very much in his prime. There's no evidence that he was past prime nor shot. Your "prePac wars" don't hold much water IMO since after the beating from Pac, Marco took on Erik the 3rd time, where he was the BIG underdog, and proceeded to beat Morales PROVING most people wrong, then he went on a 4 year winning streak which only stopped when he faced JMM, and even then he gave JMM everything he could handle and was very compettitve almost every step of the way. That's not something a past prime fighter does mate.

JMM was and is still in his prime and many people here(including me) thought Pac beat him.

 

The problem is with all these "objective" fans saying that Pac fought all these legends past their prime (or shot in alot of cases) is that coming into those fights no one would've labeled those fighters as being so. MAB was a 4-1 favorite the first time. EM was also the favorite in his rematch, same with ODLH. They all somehow became "shot" after Pac whitewashes them. See a common theme here? It's not as if Pac was prime either the first time he fought alot of these guys. You have to look at both sides of the coin.I highly doubt the EM that first fought Pac would stand much of a chance to today's version of Pac.

My point is by calling these guys shot, Pac is actually being underrated. Past prime or not, it is the manner in which Pac beat these guys that he deserves all the accolades.

 

I agree with the Cotto issue, I believe Cotto is too strong for him (although one never knows what can happen in a ring). But to say Pac hasn't been tested? Are you serious? You are speaking as if he's a slouch like Bobby Pacquiao. I'm not saying he's a Ray Robinson or a top 5 ATG but I think we should give the guy his due credit. Who does he have to fight then to prove he's the best p4p? Wlad or Vitali? Before the DLH fight few people gave him a chance and now they say he just was lucky Oscar was weight-drained. Who has beaten better competition P4P in the last couple of years than Manny? IMO, he has fought better competition than PBF (im not saying he's better than floyd) and many others. If you say Manny is not tested then I'll say that Floyd is even less tested. Let's hope then that PBF fights Cotto, Paul Williams, Tony Margarito, heck, even shane mosley. If not , I'll anxiously await for a Pac-PBF fight. True that floyd has all the tools to prevail but to say it will be a shutout or an embarrassment is incorrect IMO. We should never underestimate Manny.