This PacMan hysteria has gotten out of hand...

JosePR51 · Dec 15, 2008

PaoloP4P said: ↑

The problem is with all these "objective" fans saying that Pac fought all these legends past their prime (or shot in alot of cases) is that coming into those fights no one would've labeled those fighters as being so. MAB was a 4-1 favorite the first time. EM was also the favorite in his rematch, same with ODLH. They all somehow became "shot" after Pac whitewashes them. See a common theme here? It's not as if Pac was prime either the first time he fought alot of these guys. You have to look at both sides of the coin.I highly doubt the EM that first fought Pac would stand much of a chance to today's version of Pac.

My point is by calling these guys shot, Pac is actually being underrated. Past prime or not, it is the manner in which Pac beat these guys that he deserves all the accolades.
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Exactly. Now his wins against EM, MAB, and ODH, don't count because they were "shot" or weight drained (Oscar). Jesus, no one is saying he's the greatest ever but at least he deserves credit. Anyone who jumps TWO weight classes (and had only fought ONCE at 135) and makes a bigger guy like DLH quit in his stool has earned my respect.

Gatekeeper78 · Dec 15, 2008

PaoloP4P said: ↑

The problem is with all these "objective" fans saying that Pac fought all these legends past their prime (or shot in alot of cases) is that coming into those fights no one would've labeled those fighters as being so. MAB was a 4-1 favorite the first time. EM was also the favorite in his rematch, same with ODLH. They all somehow became "shot" after Pac whitewashes them. See a common theme here? It's not as if Pac was prime either the first time he fought alot of these guys. You have to look at both sides of the coin.I highly doubt the EM that first fought Pac would stand much of a chance to today's version of Pac.

My point is by calling these guys shot, Pac is actually being underrated. Past prime or not, it is the manner in which Pac beat these guys that he deserves all the accolades.
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I agree with everything you said, I mean people thought Hopkins was shot then he beat Pavlic. And good fighters can look bad against certain styles.

enzo · Dec 15, 2008

Pac SHOT them all with fist bullets! :yep

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dhenzrae · Dec 15, 2008

hey enzo, johnco style?

enzo · Dec 15, 2008

dhenzrae said: ↑

hey enzo, johnco style?
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thread killer pic! :yep

mad_takamura · Dec 15, 2008

RingKing said: ↑

Now don't get me wrong, I like PacMan and all, but this is getting ridiculous. First of all, too much has been made of him beating past-their-best fighters in Barrera and Morales. I'm not saying they were shot, but they were clearly on their way down.

Why do I think so? Because in their first fight, PacMan took on a unfocused Barrera and it took him 11 rounds to beat him. In their second fight, with Barrera being further removed from his best days, PacMan couldn't repeat his manner of victory even though a lot of people were saying he was a new and improved fighter.

Against Morales, he got beat by a faded legend who managed to pull one last great effort from his body. To say Morales was not past-his-best is ludicrous because ALL the wars he had certainly caught up with him in his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd fight with PacMan.

Against Marquez, he found 1 of the 3 Mexican greats who was still relatively fresh and the results were as clear as ever. He managed a draw in their first fight, and was given the "W" in their second, which many boxing fans and journalists claimed was given to the wrong man. To say that PacMan clearly won is absurd because as we all know, in boxing, "W's" can and are given to the wrong fighters on numerous occasions.

Although he beat DLH, I'll withhold my opinion because I still have suspicions that there is a hidden agenda to all of that.

Furthermore, to say he'll beat a Hatton or Mayweather at this point is downright irresponsible. Hatton is a physically strong fighter who not only is a brawler and naturally bigger, but he knows how to hold, and he is a better-than-average body puncher. Combine these assets and you have a fighter who on paper is something PacMan hasn't faced yet. This is someone who is going to force PacMan to fight going backwards and I predict would result in PacMan losing for the first time since the 1st Morales fight.

Mayweather would be a bigger, faster, and fresher version of Marquez. He is also considered by many to be the best defensive fighter today. PacMan hasn't improved to the point that his camp wants you to believe because if he had, he would have taken out the smaller, older Marquez. In that fight he showed he is still the one-two fighter we have all seen before. Mayweather would go on to stop PacMan due to an accumulation of punches.

PacMan has heart, pride, determination, and courage, but his fans and camp are not doing him a favor by giving him more credit than he deserves.
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How about an avatar bet, if you really think hatton would win?

djrock247 · Dec 15, 2008

Manny Pacquiao could KO Vitali Klitschko and SOMEBODY would find a way to malign PacMan. "Vitali only had 3 months to train and was busy blowing his brother the night before the fight". The PacLove is rivaled only by the PacHate.

Monstar · Dec 15, 2008

hell you smoking?

this whole Month should be dedicated to Pacman, you people say he's gonna get dominated, KO'd, he might even get killed......now that he wins, you wanna make excuses or say he's getting to much props?

bull****

dhenzrae · Dec 15, 2008

il postino said: ↑

youre on.

tell me your terms bud. hatton KO10 pac :hey
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pac KO8 hatton :deal

enzo · Dec 15, 2008

il postino said: ↑

youre on.

tell me your terms bud. hatton KO10 pac :hey
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makapipipipipli! :twisted:

dhenzrae · Dec 15, 2008

enzo said: ↑

makapipipipipli! :twisted:
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ban yan kay soriano :deal

dhenzrae · Dec 15, 2008

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Grinder · Dec 15, 2008

RingKing said: ↑

Now don't get me wrong, I like PacMan and all, but this is getting ridiculous. First of all, too much has been made of him beating past-their-best fighters in Barrera and Morales. I'm not saying they were shot, but they were clearly on their way down.

Why do I think so? Because in their first fight, PacMan took on a unfocused Barrera and it took him 11 rounds to beat him. In their second fight, with Barrera being further removed from his best days, PacMan couldn't repeat his manner of victory even though a lot of people were saying he was a new and improved fighter.

Against Morales, he got beat by a faded legend who managed to pull one last great effort from his body. To say Morales was not past-his-best is ludicrous because ALL the wars he had certainly caught up with him in his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd fight with PacMan.

Against Marquez, he found 1 of the 3 Mexican greats who was still relatively fresh and the results were as clear as ever. He managed a draw in their first fight, and was given the "W" in their second, which many boxing fans and journalists claimed was given to the wrong man. To say that PacMan clearly won is absurd because as we all know, in boxing, "W's" can and are given to the wrong fighters on numerous occasions.

Although he beat DLH, I'll withhold my opinion because I still have suspicions that there is a hidden agenda to all of that.

Furthermore, to say he'll beat a Hatton or Mayweather at this point is downright irresponsible. Hatton is a physically strong fighter who not only is a brawler and naturally bigger, but he knows how to hold, and he is a better-than-average body puncher. Combine these assets and you have a fighter who on paper is something PacMan hasn't faced yet. This is someone who is going to force PacMan to fight going backwards and I predict would result in PacMan losing for the first time since the 1st Morales fight.

Mayweather would be a bigger, faster, and fresher version of Marquez. He is also considered by many to be the best defensive fighter today. PacMan hasn't improved to the point that his camp wants you to believe because if he had, he would have taken out the smaller, older Marquez. In that fight he showed he is still the one-two fighter we have all seen before. Mayweather would go on to stop PacMan due to an accumulation of punches.

PacMan has heart, pride, determination, and courage, but his fans and camp are not doing him a favor by giving him more credit than he deserves.
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This is a good post. Pac is getting overrated and if people don't realise how strong Fatton will be vs Pac, they will be pretty surprised after the fight.

Soriano · Dec 15, 2008

RingKing said: ↑

Well to be honest, he hasn't tested himself against others except for the recycled bunch of Morales, Barrera, and Marquez with the most recent being DLH.

It is rare for fighters to meet at their respective primes, but I was just pointing out that PacMan, in MY opinion, beat Barrera and Morales when they were past-their-physical primes. Not saying they were shot, but you can't say they were in tip-top form after their brutal wars they had prePac. In Marquez, he fought a fighter who was still well-preserved and who had not been in wars that took a toll on his body. I am also pointing out that in MY opinion, he beat Pac twice. I am also pointing out that just because the judges scored the second fight in Pac's favor doesn't mean that is the correct decision.

Anyhow, the reason I started this thread was to voice my opinion on Pac. I also started it because it was disturbing to read threads where people were pitting Pac against Cotto and having him win via UD. Although you should never say never in boxing, I find it ridiculous that people are underrating Cotto and overrating Pac. In MY opinion, Pac loses by KO to Cotto, Hatton, Mayweather, and Margarito and I would put big money where my mouth is in those fights. It's not that Pac isn't a great little fighter, it's just that people are getting a little carried away with all the hoopla.
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If Morales and Barrera were not in top form when they met Pac, don't blame Pac, blame their coaches, trainers, nutritionists, etc. Why do you need to put blame Pac? He is just a boxer. He fights anyone who is put before him.
So if Mayweather comes out rusty or Hatton drunk before his fight, I suggest you blame their handlers, not Pac.

Stovepipe · Dec 15, 2008

Jose Rizal said: ↑

I think the threads discrediting Pac's victories have always gotten out of hand and this has been going on since the 2003 win over Barrera.
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